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andrewjb1  
#1 Posted : 17 September 2014 09:43:47(UTC)
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andrewjb1

I have a client who are medium size retailer with around 40 stores based in the UK, does anyone have any suggestions for managing the fire risk assessment process for the stores?

It isn't impractical for one individual to visit each store location so currently store managers are requested to complete a template fire risk assessment forms and return the findings to head office.

Any suggestion's on ensuring the competence of the store managers, how other retailers do this or what is a sufficient and practical way of managing the process for each location would be appreciated.

Ian Bell  
#2 Posted : 17 September 2014 10:18:56(UTC)
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Ian Bell

By the time you have trained up your store managers to a suitable level of competence (and interest??) - you could have the risk assessments done.

Maybe schedule 2 per week, over -6mths.

I don't think your 'impractical' argument holds much weight.

Risk base/prioritise which sores are assessed first.

Alternatively, subcontract to a consultancy with enough consultants to do complete the project in a shorer timescale. Guess that will be costly though.

Ask me and I might!!
DP  
#3 Posted : 17 September 2014 10:22:17(UTC)
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DP

What you do depends on many factors, such as current status, existing FRA, competence of person etc etc.

I currently have over 2000 High St and shopping centre units - each site has had a visit from a competent FR Assessor, therefore I know the fabric of the premises are in decent shape and the MOE are fine etc. All have sufficient detection systems maintained etc. Its management systems and processes beyond that. I'm currently trailing desk top FRA Reviews, something I've been working on with our 'Fire Authority' Primary Authority Partners. These are reviews not FRA's - any new stores or developed stores has a competent person in.

Many retailers do similar and request store managers undertake FRA - Fire Authority's except this in general - IMO its flawed and exposes the business but you can only do what you can do with the resource company's allow - PM me your mail and Id be more than happy to discuss in much more detail.
IanDakin  
#4 Posted : 17 September 2014 12:26:25(UTC)
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IanDakin

Hi
Here is a link to the guidance from the government on FRAs for shops.
https://www.gov.uk/gover...ssment-offices-and-shops

It gives loads of advice, if the stores are simple premises, you will probably be able to use the store management (trained on how to do it), if they are complex, or you can't meet the requirements of this guidance, then you would be best to use more competent people.

I run a course for store managers where I work, as the stores are simple premises.
Ian
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 17 September 2014 13:14:37(UTC)
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firesafety101

I think the "ask me and I might" is poor form for a professional forum such as this, in my personal opinion!

I do some work for a business with a very large number of retail stores and they decided to train a selection of their store managers to carry out the fra's.

Good enough for a starter but the reviews are not getting done due to heavy workload and this will eventually lead to problems as fra's are not priority for store managers.

Further whenever I visit stores to inspect contractors who are working on site in an occupied and trading store I always find that the store fire risk assessment has not been reviewed/revised to take account of the work, and the contractor, if they have done a fra have not shared it with the store.

I was recently interviewed for a job as fire risk assessor using an electronic device that has the software installed and training given to use the device.

In my opinion this can never ever be better than an individual with training and experience of fra.

My advice will be to employ a competent fire risk assessor to do all your required fra's initially then arrange a plan for reviews.

Tin hat now firmly in place :-)

Ian Bell  
#6 Posted : 17 September 2014 13:56:11(UTC)
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Ian Bell

FireSafety101

So you don't use this foum with a view to picking up work, if you are a freelance consultant/self employed?

YES or NO, no halfway answers!!
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2014 14:16:57(UTC)
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firesafety101

Ian I believe there is a forum rule against touting for work on the open forum.

If I did use the forum looking for work opportunities I wouldn't be so bold as to put it in someone's thread.

How's that for a half way answer :-)
Safety Smurf  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2014 16:20:47(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi Andrew,
A lot will depend on the size of the outlets and the nature of the product. I certainly wouldn't entertain the notion of letting the store management carry out an FRA of a three storey department store.
andrewjb1  
#9 Posted : 17 September 2014 19:03:56(UTC)
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andrewjb1

Thank you everyone for your comments and feedback, the major it a small units in out of town shops and won't be complex premises.

PS don't get hung up on the 'touting', in this instance i am the outsource consultant looking to do the right thing for the client in the most reasonable cost effective way. Thank you for the link Ian, i have read these guides previously.
mssy  
#10 Posted : 22 September 2014 20:22:26(UTC)
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mssy

When I was self employed, I devised a system for a company with (then) 60 mainly smallish low risk shops across the UK.

An initial visit was made by myself to determine a baseline FRA document. Then a number of managers were trained in how to (and as importantly, when to) review the FRA and compile a report that would be attached to the main document. The reviews would be repeated by staff for a period as determined by a risk based process - usually between 3 and 6 years, at which time a completely new FRA would be compiled by a competent person.

This system seem to work OK for all but around 4 sites which were complex, so were reviewed every 2 years by a competent person.

We informally ran the strategy by the fire service fire safety dept where the company head office were based, and they were content


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