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Can anyone share with me please an example of what a good plan looks likes and your thoughts on the follow;
Whist we have a good asbestos management plan policy/procedure document, it does not identify a detailed and precise plan of what types, where and in what condition all our known asbestos is. The HSE link below is one example, but I'm interested to see others also.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...aging/managementplan.pdf
At present we have a system where all our surveys, lab reports, clearance certs etc are stored electronically on a data base that is accessible to staff and is they are searchable by floors, rooms etc. However it is quite difficult to understand/digest because you have to open each report and look for the information and establish what has been done previously in the area.
This creates a number of concerns for me and I'm led to believe that in addition to what we have already, we require a table of what, where, condition, inspection frequency etc. The other concern is where the hell to start, as our site is very large and complex. Not sure if this is for the more experienced consultant to undertake, but the cost will be extremely high and to do our whole site would be both very time consuming and virtually impractical.
Thanks in advance for your feedback
DJ
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DavidJohn#1 wrote:Can anyone share with me please an example of what a good plan looks likes and your thoughts on the follow;
Whist we have a good asbestos management plan policy/procedure document, it does not identify a detailed and precise plan of what types, where and in what condition all our known asbestos is. The HSE link below is one example, but I'm interested to see others also.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...aging/managementplan.pdf
At present we have a system where all our surveys, lab reports, clearance certs etc are stored electronically on a data base that is accessible to staff and is they are searchable by floors, rooms etc. However it is quite difficult to understand/digest because you have to open each report and look for the information and establish what has been done previously in the area.
This creates a number of concerns for me and I'm led to believe that in addition to what we have already, we require a table of what, where, condition, inspection frequency etc. The other concern is where the hell to start, as our site is very large and complex. Not sure if this is for the more experienced consultant to undertake, but the cost will be extremely high and to do our whole site would be both very time consuming and virtually impractical.
Thanks in advance for your feedback
DJ
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Ahh. A remionder to use the "Quiote" button sparingly....
Try again - my post was lost....
Essentially, asbestos management is a 4 stage process. Find and assess condition (the survey which you seem to have done), assess , manage and finally monitor the risk.
Although you mention surveys in the post, the paragraph above suggests that you have not got an asbestos management plan. The information on the condition, location and type should be easily available. It seems from the above that there is no assessment of the condition of the asbestos other than the material assessment carried out by the surveyors.
The information contained in the surveys should be used to provide your own assessment of the likelihood of damage. This in turn should indicate how often the material should be inspected. The plan should also contain information on responsibilities, emergency details and contact details of responsible persons and how the info is to be disseminated to those who need it - contractors etc. It is not suitable and sufficient to provide them with a survey and ask them to interpret it.
How you do this is up to you but from what you describe, it seems that in the event of a visit from the regulator this would be a 'material breach' as a minimum with the likelihood of an improvement notice. For large sites with a large amount of asbestos the regulator would also consider prosecution due to the risk gap. With adequate oversight it is not impractical to carry out. Time consuming, yes but not impractical.
I'm not clear on the ability of surveying companies to help you with the management side of things. I think some companies offer this service but there are many course providers offering asbestos management DTM training to provide the competence for it to be done in house.
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DavidJohn#1 wrote:Can anyone share with me please an example of what a good plan looks likes and your thoughts on the follow;
Whist we have a good asbestos management plan policy/procedure document, it does not identify a detailed and precise plan of what types, where and in what condition all our known asbestos is. The HSE link below is one example, but I'm interested to see others also.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...aging/managementplan.pdf
At present we have a system where all our surveys, lab reports, clearance certs etc are stored electronically on a data base that is accessible to staff and is they are searchable by floors, rooms etc. However it is quite difficult to understand/digest because you have to open each report and look for the information and establish what has been done previously in the area.
This creates a number of concerns for me and I'm led to believe that in addition to what we have already, we require a table of what, where, condition, inspection frequency etc. The other concern is where the hell to start, as our site is very large and complex. Not sure if this is for the more experienced consultant to undertake, but the cost will be extremely high and to do our whole site would be both very time consuming and virtually impractical.
Thanks in advance for your feedback
DJ
Would the asbestos register be the type of thing that you need?
http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...ging/registerexample.pdf
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One other thing....
The HSE AMP example in the link may be adequate for a small site but it is, essentially, a bit rubbish.
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If you are looking for guidance on creating an AMP, a good starting point would be L127 & HSG227 (both freely available via the HSE books website).
A number of organisations have made their AMP's publicly available via the internet, these include local authorities and universities, which are essentially large multi site organisations. This may be a starting point to get a feel for how similar organisation manage asbestos.
A number of asbestos surveying companies offer management services, incuding creating AMP's, asbestos registers & hosting data.
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