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Fazer  
#1 Posted : 22 September 2014 21:56:30(UTC)
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Fazer

I am currently arranging face fit tests and hit a hurdle straight away.

In order to carryout the face fit test the person must be clean shaven. one of the operatives refuses to shave. Has anyone dealt with this problem and what is the way forward.

walker  
#2 Posted : 23 September 2014 07:45:58(UTC)
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walker

Give him the local job centre address
leadbelly  
#3 Posted : 23 September 2014 08:09:22(UTC)
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leadbelly

Unshaven employees should not wear tight-fitting facepieces.

LB
walker  
#4 Posted : 23 September 2014 10:41:21(UTC)
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walker

leadbelly wrote:
Unshaven employees should not wear tight-fitting facepieces.

LB


This makes no sense ..........unless you are being ironic
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 23 September 2014 10:56:56(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This happened to me last week. Bloke turns up for face fit testing with a beard;I told his manager that there is no way I could do a proper face fit test for someone with a beard. Even if I could get it to work, there would be no guarantee of consistency. It has to be clean shaven. So he had two choices, find the guy some other work or invest in a positive pressure face hood.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 23 September 2014 11:59:53(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Fazer wrote:

In order to carryout the face fit test the person must be clean shaven.



And operatives must be clean-shaven thereafter! Religious/ equality issues may apply. There's always an air-fed helmet...................
ADALE  
#7 Posted : 23 September 2014 12:45:16(UTC)
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ADALE

This caused a bit of debate before for me, and the answer isn't black & white. It centres much round H&S law over-riding other laws such as equality/ discrimination, but then, you'd have to be discriminating against a protected characteristic etc. This topic will go well off track if you don't focus on why the person wouldn't shave (culture, both H&S and ethnicity) it is the employer's duty to manage the men (safely), if it's not reasonably practicable, or equally unsafe to provide alternate systems (such as the air fed mentioned), keep the man on something other than the task requiring the close-fit RPE.

If that isn't RP either, and you can demonstrate you've tried everything reasonable to keep the man in a job, let him go. There's precedent cases showing employers stating their intention is to keep people safe, trumps employment rights etc.

You'll spend more time looking for the answer than implementing it, fact.
yulkok  
#8 Posted : 23 September 2014 13:06:40(UTC)
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yulkok

What does clean shaven mean in practice? Shaved that day, 1 days growth?
Many thanks,
Yul
MrsBlue  
#9 Posted : 23 September 2014 13:24:18(UTC)
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State the fact that clean shaven is a prerequisite of the job on all recruiting literature. I do this for such things as Lone Working, possible confined space work and possible short working at height off ladders / step ladders.

This is not against the law.

walker  
#10 Posted : 23 September 2014 13:34:42(UTC)
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walker

quote=Ron Hunter]
Fazer wrote:

In order to carryout the face fit test the person must be clean shaven.



And operatives must be clean-shaven thereafter! Religious/ equality issues may apply. There's always an air-fed helmet...................


Absolutely!

Lets face it there are not many legitimate "issues" its just the awkward squad trying it on.
My post at #2 deals with these
I have lads who can't shave for religious reasons and both parties simply accept there are jobs they can't do. "We" are big enough that this isn't a problem
David Bannister  
#11 Posted : 23 September 2014 17:12:18(UTC)
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David Bannister

Educating the worker as to why it is necessary to be clean shaven for the RPE to seal properly and the consequences of leakage (i.e. breathing in the contaminated air and subsequent medical consequences)may solve some problems.
frankc  
#12 Posted : 23 September 2014 20:29:30(UTC)
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frankc

Rich777 wrote:
State the fact that clean shaven is a prerequisite of the job on all recruiting literature. I do this for such things as Lone Working, possible confined space work and possible short working at height off ladders / step ladders.



How does being clean shaven help prevent falls from ladders, Rich?
bigpub  
#13 Posted : 24 September 2014 07:58:08(UTC)
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bigpub

As a contract safety advisor i pointed this out to my client. I then challenged one of the lads who was wearing a good mask. He told me he never shaves etc and then started to be awkward as they sometimes do. I pointed out that the seal is more reliable when shaved and so on. When i reported this bacl to my client the answers i got was, Well at least you told him.
descarte8  
#14 Posted : 24 September 2014 13:02:32(UTC)
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descarte8

YulKok wrote:
What does clean shaven mean in practice? Shaved that day, 1 days growth?
Many thanks,
Yul


Annex M, this is a copy of the draft standard I just found with a google search:
www.xa.yimg.com/kq/group...94+4-10EN_May_05+_2_.pdf

Or try a search for: "Technical Committee on Selection, Care, and Use of Respirators"

Also see http://www.bohs.org/uplo...s/3b%20-%20N%20Grace.pdf
12 volunteers, face fit tested every day for over a week to see the change in fit.

Des
MrsBlue  
#15 Posted : 24 September 2014 14:46:59(UTC)
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frankc wrote:
Rich777 wrote:
State the fact that clean shaven is a prerequisite of the job on all recruiting literature. I do this for such things as Lone Working, possible confined space work and possible short working at height off ladders / step ladders.



How does being clean shaven help prevent falls from ladders, Rich?


I don't know how to answer this question other than tongue in cheek (which I presume the question was meant to be - trying to be funny and it's not Friday?).

Rich
frankc  
#16 Posted : 24 September 2014 16:32:52(UTC)
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frankc

Rich777 wrote:
frankc wrote:
Rich777 wrote:
State the fact that clean shaven is a prerequisite of the job on all recruiting literature. I do this for such things as Lone Working, possible confined space work and possible short working at height off ladders / step ladders.



How does being clean shaven help prevent falls from ladders, Rich?


I don't know how to answer this question other than tongue in cheek (which I presume the question was meant to be - trying to be funny and it's not Friday?).

Rich


I've looked at the W@H Regs today and i can't answer it either...and it's only Wednesday.
edwill7  
#17 Posted : 09 October 2014 11:02:39(UTC)
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edwill7

The employee does not need to be clean shaven.
Do the test and watch his eyes water.
If the mask doesnt fit, he will fail the test.
Simple
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