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Should a broken nose be reported under RIDDOR
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Hi All,
Well like the subject states, I'm looking for some information on whether a broken nose should be reported. No X-ray's, only a GP stating an IP has a broken nose.
Thanks in advance
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How was the nose broken? If not work related, then not reportable.
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Ok, should of stated man at work. Ceiling tile fell with light fitting attached whilst pulling a cable.
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Hi Jason, if the nose is a typical break then no it is not a reportable injury, if however it is at the top of the nose it may well be a fractured skull which is reportable, although this is very rare. I would be inclined to get a definitive answer and go from there. Good luck.
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A work related incident that led to a broken bone (with the exception of fingers and toe's) is reportable.
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Reportable if work related; the nose is a bone (unless it's just the cartilage at the end which is broken) and broken bones apart from fingers and toes, are as Toe says, reportable,
John
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As Toe says its reportable. Fractures other than fingers, thumbs or toes. Generally an assessment by a GP would be acceptable, However to be sure I would get the IP to get an Xray to confirm.
Hope that helps.
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Not sure we should be advocating exposing an IP to X-rays just to satisfy reporting regulations. Remember the main use of RIDDOR is statistical analysis. Whilst we do not know the circumstances, unless there has been some major failing, it is unlikely to generate any enforcement activity.
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Jason. The decision about whether to report is yours, as is any justification for doing our not doing so. I've easy it another I very much doubt you'll have the HSE queuing up knock on your door.
The one thing I definitely wouldn't be doing is sending this person off for an x-ray. I would suggest that the NHS have better things to do than spending their finite resources on and it would be bordering on perverse to do so.
Make your own mind up. Report our not and be prepared to justify.
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It should be reported and depending on how much it is damaged should dictate to send him to hospital or not. I don't believe it would be a waste of NHS resources. I have dealt with this before and we were hit for a higher compensation claim because the person had to have an operation to straighten the nose.
Even if he doesn't claim he has the entitlement to visit the hospital and the company should encourage it.
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Ummm. Of course NOBODY has suggested at ANY point that the IP is not 'entitled' to go for hospital. The IP has seen their GP and we can assume that if the GP thought further tests or treatment at hospital was necessary, they would have advised/referred. The IP we can reasonably assume is also able to use their own discretion/initiative to do the same.
However, the question is whether 'we' should be encouraging someone to attend hospital for the purposes of determining whether the injury in this case is reportable under RIDDOR or not.
I should have thought that the answer to that and the original post is obvious to most.
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Canopener I was going to respond with some sort of H&S response but then thought why bother!
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HSE guidance states that a doctor's opinion that a fracture is present is sufficient evidence to make it reportable. It is highly unlikely that any hospital would allow an x-ray to take place to establish if the nose is broken as their is a greater risk from the amount of radiation required for the x-ray compared to the treatment for the break. As has been said before the nose 'bone' is essentially cartilage and the HSE guidance used to say that a broken nose was not reportable. New guidance doesn't mention this but if you put in "broken nose" in HSE search you will find reference to the statistics initially compiled from the Incident Contact Centre were adjusted because broken noses where being classified as major (as they were then called) injuries when they should not have been.
Take care
John C
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No one appears to have asked if he was unable to work for more than 7 days...
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teh_boy wrote:No one appears to have asked if he was unable to work for more than 7 days...
You wouldn't have to be off for 7 days if it was classed as a major injury.
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If the GP has stated it is a broken nose then that should be good enough reason to report it as it is not a finger, thumb or toe.
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I'm relatively new to all of this, but after reading all of your recommendations, scouring the numerous sources of information on the web, I'd contact the HSE for their definitive answer.
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