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mjbamford  
#1 Posted : 01 October 2014 12:06:45(UTC)
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mjbamford

Hi All,

I was just wondering, when re-painting fire doors should a special type of paint (i.e. intumescent) be used or is it possible to use ordinary paint?
kevkel  
#2 Posted : 01 October 2014 12:44:19(UTC)
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kevkel

It does not have to be intumescent paint but it should not affect the performance of the door. Avoid using oil based paints and varnishes where possible. Flammable materials should be avoided. The issue may not be the flammability of the substance used but rather the bubbling when heat applied which may affect a persons escape. Water based gloss or eggshell.
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 01 October 2014 21:38:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

Shouldn't it be Class O as it will be on a means of escape route?
kevkel  
#4 Posted : 02 October 2014 12:54:41(UTC)
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kevkel

The internal linings should be class O. Paint is not an internal lining and provided that the fire door and walls etc are Class 0 then the integrity of the internal linings are complete and in compliance with the building regs. tech guidance doc. B.
Therefore as i had said if you stick to waterbased paints, the likelihood of them affecting the internal lining of a protected escape route are pretty much non existent. You're pretty much back to the kids handing drawings on school corridor scenario.
kevkel  
#5 Posted : 02 October 2014 12:55:43(UTC)
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kevkel

Memo to self- spell check before posting!
jwk  
#6 Posted : 02 October 2014 15:18:37(UTC)
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jwk

Agree with Kev's advice. Intumescent paint has quite specific and unusual applications. We used it for example on old listed doors with cracks in them in residential premises. When painting fire doors please be careful on smoke seals and intumescent strips; one of my team did some research on this and he believes you can have up to 5 coats of paint on an intumescent strip, but I guess no coats would be best,

John
mjbamford  
#7 Posted : 03 October 2014 08:51:05(UTC)
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mjbamford

Many thanks for your comments and advice. It was just something I saw whilst visiting a client for a meeting and something I hadn't encountered before.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 03 October 2014 12:04:26(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

BS 8214:

'Unglazed areas of any fire door leaves are generally not required to provide a specific surface spread of flame requirement and may therefore be decorated as desired.'

The BS also goes on to state that Intumescent seals can be painted up to 5 coats (regular oil-based paint) and some paint is probably advantageous to control moisture absorption.

(jwk - your Team could have saved a lot of time by simply reading the BS!).

jwk  
#9 Posted : 03 October 2014 12:40:11(UTC)
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jwk

Hi Ron,

You misunderstand my post; we used intumescent paint because the doors had cracks in them which penetrated from one side to the other. They were solid oak, so apart from the cracks were probably pretty fire resistant, and they were also listed which meant we couldn't just take them down and hang nice shiny rated doors in their place,

John
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 03 October 2014 13:00:24(UTC)
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firesafety101

There was a thread not too long ago about wallpapering fire doors. That was just as much fun as this one.
jwk  
#11 Posted : 03 October 2014 15:50:53(UTC)
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jwk

Why would anybody want to wallpaper a fire door? Or indeed any door?

Maybe I need to stay in more,

John
kevkel  
#12 Posted : 03 October 2014 15:54:04(UTC)
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kevkel

Please don't start this again!
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