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robwilliams1983  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:37:35(UTC)
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robwilliams1983

Has anyone got an example of a letter to remind employees that they are responsible for not only their own health and safety but also of everyone on site.

And that failure to comply with the company h&s policy, site rules etc could result in disciplinary action taking place?
PIKEMAN  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:55:35(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Personally I would never send such a letter. It is not communication - it is one way. And who likes being threatened?

This should start with top down commitment which is cascaded down to all workers. I am worndering about your safety culture - maybe you should send that letter to the senior managers first!
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:59:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Is this for one employee in particular for all your employees?
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:00:13(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Is this for one employee in particular or for all your employees?
-missed the 'or'!
robwilliams1983  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:01:28(UTC)
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robwilliams1983

A Kurdziel wrote:
Is this for one employee in particular or for all your employees?
-missed the 'or'!


It is for all employees, senior management already comply there are just a few employees who think they are above h&s law
robwilliams1983  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:06:00(UTC)
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robwilliams1983

Pikeman wrote:
Personally I would never send such a letter. It is not communication - it is one way. And who likes being threatened?

This should start with top down commitment which is cascaded down to all workers. I am worndering about your safety culture - maybe you should send that letter to the senior managers first!


Our safety culture is very good here without being over the top like at some UK companies. Unfortunately we have tried the "nice cop" talking & explaiing to them method, managers are compliant it is just a few employees that think they are above the h&s law and need to be reminded of their responsibilities.

However if we send a letter to just those few employees then that would surely come off worse than sending a general letter to all employees?
Jane Blunt  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:08:49(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

My personal view is that any letter of this nature should go only to those employees who are not complying, if you have been able to identify them.

Otherwise you risk resentment from those who are already trying their best to do the right thing.
jodieclark1510  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:14:48(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Personally I would speak to those causing the problem, if you have a generally good safety culture they know who isn't towing the line, and it may do good showing non compliance won't be tolerated- but targetted in the right way. I tried good cop when I first started in my role- worked for a couple of months- its all about adapting to the situation
jay  
#9 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:30:27(UTC)
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jay

Do a face to face "tool-box" talk. You could get them to sign thier attendance for the talk. You could compile the tool box talk, after agreement with top management, of your headline policies, but make it "interesting". Perhaps include what the carrots will be and then inform what the stick can also be.
One way letters/e-mails are not effective.
jay  
#10 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:33:18(UTC)
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jay

Ultimately, if employees do not follow you procedues etc and you have exhausted all avenues, then perhaps only the "disciplinary" route is the option?? That would involve a formal letter--best to have you HR handle it then.
Lawlee45239  
#11 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:41:43(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

robwilliams1983 wrote:
Has anyone got an example of a letter to remind employees that they are responsible for not only their own health and safety but also of everyone on site.

And that failure to comply with the company h&s policy, site rules etc could result in disciplinary action taking place?



Perhaps a H&S training morning to discuss these topics, (or just a short TBT), and then provide all with a handout to keep which contains all the info. The signed briefing sheets and handouts can then be kept on their file, and if you feel they are still above H&S in a few months perhaps go down the disciplinary route?
A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:40:11(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I’d go for some form of engagement, targeting those staff that are proving difficult.
I am not saying it will be easy but a steady drop by drop approach can work. Call it mentoring and it might bring them around.
If you send a formal letter to all staff it will put everyone’s back up. At our place formal letters to all staff on whatever subject are regarded as a way for management to put the boot in.
You say to all employees but then you say that senior management are on board and I assume they won’t be receiving any letters.
Are management truly on board? It is the management that sets the tone of the company but are they really taking the lead on Health and Safety?
Look at the things that Dr Tim Marsh(see http://www.rydermarsh.co.uk/ )has written about and how management can end up only paying lip service to H&S culture.
Be careful or you might end up making things worse.
ashley.willson  
#13 Posted : 22 October 2014 16:51:46(UTC)
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It sounds like you have issues with specific people.

Speaking with their line manager and/or them is probably better than carpet bombing. However, it may be worth asking the Knowledge Skill Behaviour questions as to why they are acting like this. Its like a hierarchy:

Why are they doing what they are doing? Is it because:

1 - they lack the knowledge of what they should be doing or lack the knowledge that they shouldn't be doing it? If so, educate with training, information, instruction and supervision. If not...

2- they lack the skills to be able to do what they are doing safely. Are they competent in their role? Do they have the skil or capability to carry out the work safely? Skill is the application of knowledge and is the next step. If they do lack the skill, then offer training, instruction, information and supervision again, but aim at developing skill through application of knowledge. If not,

3 - they know what to do (knowledge), they know how to do it (skill) but they just won't. This is a behavioural problem. There are a number of reasons why a person may do this, but ultimately this comes down to the HR route. Investigate with them and their line manager and if there is no improvement consider the disciplinary route.

I hope that helps, but for what it's worth I really wouldn't carpet bomb everyone!
bob youel  
#14 Posted : 23 October 2014 07:36:09(UTC)
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bob youel

this sounds like a management problem so let them handle it as it is they who are supposed to manage and enforce the company policies etc.
Joebaxil  
#15 Posted : 23 October 2014 09:43:21(UTC)
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Joebaxil

Very interesting

I have had a few discussions with a very skilled and technically sound foremen. However still what I would refer to as older school ( there are still lots of them around as you will know ).

When I discuss with this chap on why he didn't have spill bins or barriers and signage in place on a heavy lift he will say something like " well don't worry it would only take another 10 minutes to get this in place after the event or we are in the middle of nowhere ".

I have my own way in trying to influence these attitudes by discussing that in this instance yes technically he is very good ie let them know what they are good at , however in 2014 if he wants to be seen as the full package these are the things that he needs to have nailed ( trying not to sound to condescending of course ) and pushing him to realise he is also showing full commitment & support to his site lead / manager who relies on him at the coal face especially in these times of resource issues and workloads being spread across the board.

This older school mindset I find I spend most of my time , the young guns coming through I see are getting the information , instruction , training and supervision something which I and lot you guys no doubt agree never had. The younger ones know no different which is at least a very good indicator how we are progressing in some ways at least.

of topic slightly: however my real concern in the construction industry is the smaller outfits , 5-10 man outfits who carry out the referbs & housing extension's ect but still are bringing the young ones through in the opposite way as mentioned above. I know first hand of a large network of the smaller outfits around my area and believe me its shocking what goes off.

Not so much a rant but as I see it .

J

RayRapp  
#16 Posted : 23 October 2014 10:33:25(UTC)
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RayRapp

My thoughts are similar to most of the posts before me. If you have some employees who are not performing well in terms of h&s compliance, then you must have some supervisors who are allowing/tolerating these unsafe acts. Therefore these supervisors must be addressed. Managers must also be aware that supervisors are not performing, hence these managers performance must be addressed and so it goes on.

In my humble opinion you cannot isolate just those at the coal face. The mantra that health and safety is everyones' responsibility goes much deeper. Ultimately the responsibility lies with senior management. They set the policies and practices and it's incumbent upon them to ensure their commitment is properly cascaded through the various tiers of management and supervision.

Hope my thoughts do not come across as reproaching.
pl53  
#17 Posted : 23 October 2014 12:15:12(UTC)
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pl53

You would have us believe that your supervisors and managers are all fully compliant and you have a good safety culture but that can't be true because, as you infer, certain individuals are routinely non-compliant. For this to be that case they must be being allowed to be non-compliant and therefore their supervisors are routinely non-compliant. For supervisors to be allowed to be routinely non-compliant the managers must be routinely non-compliant and so on right up the chain of command.

It seems to me that it's the senior managers that need a reminder of their h&s responsibilities
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