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kevkel  
#1 Posted : 21 October 2014 10:50:30(UTC)
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kevkel

I wonder what peoples thoughts are regarding compulsory fire safety training for all employees. Let me put this in context. We are a mental health facility and fire safety and extinguisher training is compulsory for all employees. I provide this training and I am competent to do so. My question is what value is there in training Doctors and Consultants in fire safety and extinguisher use?
My own opinion is to provide basic information e.g. Evacuation routes, alarm signals and activating alarms and to leave the doctors to manage the service users and triage. This can be done very briefly whereas fire safety training is quite comprehensive and takes nearly two hours which can be a problem.
The emergency evacuation and management of any situation is led by nursing as they are the constant within the hospital, and this works very well.
Would you support the full training of all employees or as I have suggested and how would you present this?
Kevin
DHM  
#2 Posted : 21 October 2014 10:59:26(UTC)
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DHM

Hi Kevkel, how do you propose to evidence the training you have delivered and what are the significant findings of your FRA?
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 21 October 2014 11:05:02(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Most organisations feel their main concern is to get staff out safely if there is a fire. Therefore they don’t regard fire-fighting training as a priority; they focus on simple things like evacuation.
In some facilities, such as yours possibly it could be that simply allowing staff to evacuate is not an option. There is an expectation that any fire would be fought by staff until the fire services arrive. This depends on things like the presence of vulnerable people in the facility or the effectiveness of the local fire services.
Whatever decision is taken, it must be a thought out decision based on the accepting the risks involved.
kevkel  
#4 Posted : 21 October 2014 16:02:02(UTC)
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kevkel

DHM- Training is evidenced by in-house examination and certification programme. Direct trainng is provided every two years and part of the certification programme each employee must participate in an evacuation drill (quarterly) within the two year period. All aspects of the fire risk assessment have been dealth with and a very well practiced and implemented evacuation strategy in place. The question I am asking is does anybody support the full training of all staff in the emergency response (nurse led) or do they feel that providing information to certain employees (doctors etc) and having them participate in mock evacuations is enough?
In my view providing full training to all employees is over the top. I am of the opinion that those involved in the evacuation of the hospital (or compartments thereof) should have the full training but not everybody which is our current policy.
kevkel  
#5 Posted : 21 October 2014 16:03:02(UTC)
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kevkel

Note to self: spellcheck!
toe  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2014 01:12:03(UTC)
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toe

kevkel

I too am involved with mental health services, in the main care homes, in which we do train all our staff in fire safety including the safe use of extinguishers. However, this is a different issue to what I believe you have, but I'm just giving my viewpoint here. Note, our fire training takes 4 hours.

If you setting is a hospital and you have a sprinkler system installed (most have) you may be asking a good question and what is the rational for this training, or at least the extinguisher training.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2014 07:44:09(UTC)
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bob youel

the training needed is relative to the risk present and I would not train people to use fire extinguishers unless the risk assessment indicated that it was a real need in that occupation in a specific circumstance noting that too many 'amateur' fire fighters have come unstuck in the past trying to fight fires and the law does not say that everybody should be trained to do every specific thing or use all specific kit
Redders  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:10:40(UTC)
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Redders

I have previously been involved with small hospitals (not mental health) and we had a system where all non-essential service departments were immediately evacuated. In those areas/departments where service users could not be immediately evacuated, the situation was managed by senior designated fire wardens. The residential medical officer assessed the service users for immediate care and for the preparation of evacuation into another building compartment if necessary. Specific training for senior staff, fire wardens and the RMO's was provided and regularly practised through fire drills with differing scenarios.
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