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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:40:37(UTC)
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mssy  
#2 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:57:20(UTC)
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mssy

It looks like the quality of the evacuation procedures are about the same as the TV show itself!

A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 22 October 2014 09:57:41(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

FireSafety101 wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/10/21/lorraine-kelly-fire-alarm-video_n_6019962.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cuk-ws-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D301874

No they should have sacked her and brought back the test card
jodieclark1510  
#4 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:01:50(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Just a thought- not sticking up for the woman- but why did the camera crew not leave either until she did? They are just as bad surely?
Jane Blunt  
#5 Posted : 22 October 2014 10:02:54(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

No, she is setting a very bad example.

However, it is a really good example of what people actually do when confronted with a fire alarm. This is how people get killed in fires.
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:24:46(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

One of the myths put out by films and such is that once an alarm goes off people panic and run for the exits. I reality people try to behave as if nothing is happening. They don’t believe that it is an emergency and that it does not involve them.
On one famous occurrence, shoppers refused to leave their trolleys in the supermarket during a fire alarm. They wanted the till staff to remain at the tills to enable them to pay for their shopping despite the fact that the alarm was going and the shop filling with smoke!
jodieclark1510  
#7 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:28:51(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

I have endured the above on more than one occassion. I was also asked for a discount for the fact they were marched outside and had to wait for the place to be checked out. They didn't seem to understand life is a bit more important than some sliced carrots and jam!!
MrsBlue  
#8 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:31:41(UTC)
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Can this be downloaded and used as part of Fire Training - if so, how do you download it or copy it? or is it copywrite?
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:34:54(UTC)
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firesafety101

jodieclark1510 wrote:
Just a thought- not sticking up for the woman- but why did the camera crew not leave either until she did? They are just as bad surely?


How do you know the camera crew remained? they may have run off and left the camera running?
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:40:39(UTC)
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firesafety101

A Kurdziel wrote:
One of the myths put out by films and such is that once an alarm goes off people panic and run for the exits. I reality people try to behave as if nothing is happening. They don’t believe that it is an emergency and that it does not involve them.
On one famous occurrence, shoppers refused to leave their trolleys in the supermarket during a fire alarm. They wanted the till staff to remain at the tills to enable them to pay for their shopping despite the fact that the alarm was going and the shop filling with smoke!


Hendersons Liverpool where there was evidence of a major fire developing and the Station Officer had to stand on top of the counter and shout at all the shoppers to leave, some expletives were used so I believe.

June 1960 and 11 people died.

Offices, Shops and Railway Premises Act came about as a result.

Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 22 October 2014 11:40:57(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Another interpretation of the scenario is that the studio had a phased response system. If so, the initial audible alarms were intended to put everyone, including the presenters and film crew, on alert that they might need to evacuate if the cause of the alarm could not be identified by designated persons within a certain period of time. Similar systems exist in hospitals and other types of premises where immediate evacuation by everybody as soon as the alarm sounds is either not appropriate and/or unsafe for various reasons.

The fact that the alarm sounded intermittently rather than constantly tends to indicate that the studio did have a phased response system. Also, perhaps Lorraine Kelly and/or the studio staff knew that if the alarm soundings persisted after a certain time, they had to abandon what they were doing and evacuate - hence her concluding explanation to the viewers.

p.s. My geographical acumen has failed me: I've occasionally seen the name "Huffington Post" on the internet over the past year or so, but haven't yet managed to find where Huffington actually is: Perhaps it's an obscure small town in North America or a new town in the UK !!! :-)
jodieclark1510  
#12 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:29:17(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Good thought Graham and would make sense in a studio type building etc- I was merely concerned people were bashing one woman when potentially others may not have acted correctly either was all
DHM  
#13 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:34:29(UTC)
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DHM

I walked in to a large supermarket last week and the fire alarm went off. Every single person ignored the alarm including the security guards until it was finally silenced by someone. So much for an evacuation procedure!
Jane Blunt  
#14 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:36:36(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Graham Bullough wrote:
Another interpretation of the scenario is that the studio had a phased response system. If so, the initial audible alarms were intended to put everyone, including the presenters and film crew, on alert that they might need to evacuate if the cause of the alarm could not be identified by designated persons within a certain period of time. Similar systems exist in hospitals and other types of premises where immediate evacuation by everybody as soon as the alarm sounds is either not appropriate and/or unsafe for various reasons.

The fact that the alarm sounded intermittently rather than constantly tends to indicate that the studio did have a phased response system.


I wondered that, but so far as I can hear the very first message is to evacuate the building, not to 'be prepared to evacuate'. It is a voice alarm, so it is not intermittent. The noise is to grab their attention.

kevkel  
#15 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:54:40(UTC)
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kevkel

Strategic progressive evacuation- we use it because such large buildings with many people inside, there is not always a need for full evacuation upon activation of the fire alarm. As the fire spreads the building is evacuated in stages away from the fire. With modern construction and passive fire controls you can evacuate a large building over a number of hours if necessary.
I would suggest that the automated fire alarm does not have a double knock as most alarms would and activates straight upon detection into evacuation mode. Most fire alarm systems pulse intermittently to alert to the activation and evacuation bell is either a timed response or manually activated.
Dreadfull to evacuate a whole building for someone who burned their toast without checking first!!
A Kurdziel  
#16 Posted : 22 October 2014 13:09:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

We use a phased alarm system but as mentioned each area receives the appropriate message ie if you need to stay put then that is the message put out. The message going out in the clip seemed to be ‘get out!’.
andrewcl  
#17 Posted : 22 October 2014 15:53:56(UTC)
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andrewcl

... And don't even get me started on hotels - how many guests check where the fire exits are on going into a hotel? How many use the stairs to go to their room the first time, so they have an idea of how to escape in an emergency?

Fire alarm in a hotel in San Francisco - wife and I evacuated onto the street just before 7am in our sleepwear and not one other person was there... And we got honked! Try standing on a street in San Francisco in your night attire and see the response!
Invictus  
#18 Posted : 22 October 2014 16:03:11(UTC)
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Invictus

Woolworths Manchester people were found still sitting in their seats in the café.

There is a couple out there were you see people walking into the Off licence whilst the shelf is on fire and they still queue as though nothing is happening.
firesafety101  
#19 Posted : 22 October 2014 23:03:30(UTC)
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firesafety101

This is true, not me but an ex colleague.

Turned out, about 0300, to The Moat House Hotel,
Paradise Street


On arrival, serious kitchen fire, alarms sounding, evacuation and head count underway.

This bloke approaches me and says, (seriously) "Stephen Hendry is on the 3rd floor, he's had a busy week and he's here for John Parrott's wedding. Any chance he can stay in bed? "

By which time the fire had spread into the ducting.

"No" says I, politely.

"Do you know who he is?" he retorts.

"Do you know who I am?(with a smile) Go and get his arse outside"

End of discussion
DP  
#20 Posted : 23 October 2014 07:34:16(UTC)
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DP

I have worked in retail now for a few years now and its difficult when we do our drills when trading - we have to really push to get people out but that's what drills are for to learn and practice.

One real negative of the demise of Woolworths - is the knowledge they used to drill into their managers due to the Manchester tragedy!

Whenever you used to meet new managers coming into the business and they were ex Wollies - they really got it.



mssy  
#21 Posted : 23 October 2014 17:42:27(UTC)
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mssy

What nonsense - It was an awful example of staff not knowing what to do and not understanding the emergency plan - period.

In order to avoid confusion, I have never heard of a voice alarm message mention the word 'evacuate' if it didnt apply to that zone. TBH, it doesn't really matter what the voice alarm was saying, Lorraine didn't know what to do, neither did those in the gallery who are effectively managers and talk to her through an earpiece. That's enough for me to determine poor planning

Bigmac1  
#22 Posted : 23 October 2014 21:57:12(UTC)
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#23 Posted : 24 October 2014 08:32:51(UTC)
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I am delivering Fire Marshall training next Monday I will certainly be showing this clip, yet another example of how the general public react when there's a potential emergency!
Route66  
#24 Posted : 24 October 2014 18:28:12(UTC)
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Route66

Invictus wrote:
Woolworths Manchester people were found still sitting in their seats in the café.

There is a couple out there were you see people walking into the Off licence whilst the shelf is on fire and they still queue as though nothing is happening.


That's easily found on youtube - just search for Threshers Off Licence Fire
Route66  
#25 Posted : 24 October 2014 18:35:18(UTC)
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Route66

Rich777 wrote:
Can this be downloaded and used as part of Fire Training - if so, how do you download it or copy it? or is it copywrite?



if you look on the Huffington Post video, it's actually a link to a youtube clip, put up by a 3rd party.
Use the Youtube link (bottom right of the video) to view it directly on youtube. There are plenty of free youtube downloader programmes available which you can use to download it.
Technically it's probably copyright ITV, but equally it's now public domain and there is no real reason for ITV to object. Youtube haven't removed it so ITV haven't complained about it being available. It's really a public interest thing.
Bit different from copying bootleg training videos which are made for commercial profit.
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