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I just had a chat with one of the well known competence check accreditation companies about the poor standard of H&S of one of their accredited companies and am horrified to learn they are really not interested
I was told that there is an annual review when the company makes certain statements and promises to adhere to all relevant safety rules and regs but between those reviews there is nothing they are prepared to do following receipt of a complaint.
I am gobsmacked.
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Surely you must know that the main (possibly only) requirement for accreditation to these organisations is that the cheque has been cleared.
Rodger Ker
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I have recently learned of a building company using two separate competence check logo's on their vehicles and letter headed paper and they are not registered as competent with either.
Both organisations are going to write to Trading Standards to complain.
It is a breach of consumer legislation.
Otherwise I think you are right about the cheque, that is more important than the "check".
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FWIW,
It is EXACTLY the same with any and all electrical competency registration bodies, all that is required is that the "cheque" is cashed OK, and then, you are in the "club" regardless of qualifications and competence.
It is all about money not safety.
Safety & competence is irrelevant as long as the registration body has their money.
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This is nothing to do with consumer legislation I am afraid as it does not cover business activities. You would need to look at a breach of contract - which could be very hard with all the exclusions in the small print. These firms simply contract an initial or annual accreditation and expect organisations to monitor their own activities. It is one vey good reason why they should NOT be regarded with the esteem they are - they do not assure ongoing competence.
Yes I do know also that the organisation membership under electrical and gas can and is abused but the HSE should have been dealing with this and have the powers to do so.
Bob
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I would caution against tarring all accreditation bodies with the same brush. I served for some years on the accreditation board of the Royal Society for the Promotion of Health (now, having merged with the Royal Institute of Publish Health and Hygiene called the Royal Society of Publish Health) and I can assure you that as a UKAS accredited body we took our responsibilities very seriously. Had we not we would have lost our UKAS accreditation. We had a team of trained observers who regularly visited the accredited companies and we were regularly checked out by UKAS. We would certainly never have got away with the sort of 'cowboy' methods you have described.
Perhaps if you are considering accreditation you should ensure that the body you are in contact with is UKAS approved.
Chris
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Firstly, these organisations do not do it all, as some people think. It is one way of standardising bureaucracy but does not remove the responsibility of the end user/consumer to make sufficient enquiries of their own as every job requires risk assessment bla bla bla.... It never has.
However, I think a formal 'letter of complaint' should be sent to the CEO of the body concerned based on the response you got. No organisation likes 'formal complaints' and you will probably find there is a board level performance measure on something like this.
If no joy then I suggest that you advise your colleagues here to 'ensure they double check' said organisations accredited contractors they are using as it is obvious that the standards they apply are not universal. Someone will get the message soon enough.
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FireSafety101 wrote:I just had a chat with one of the well known competence check accreditation companies about the poor standard of H&S of one of their accredited companies and am horrified to learn they are really not interested
I was told that there is an annual review when the company makes certain statements and promises to adhere to all relevant safety rules and regs but between those reviews there is nothing they are prepared to do following receipt of a complaint.
I am gobsmacked.
Problem is there are clients who tell contractors they should have Xxxx accreditation and they have to comply or not get the work. It is the clients who keep these companies going.
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The Electrical "approvals" bodies are UKAS accredited, they get away with approving incompetent people as competent so why should any other ACAS accredited body be any different?
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