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williamsandrew  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2014 15:46:46(UTC)
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williamsandrew

Hi,

I'm looking for a change in career path and have chosen to go down the route of health and safety as it is something that interests me. I have recently finished studying the NGC and are due to receive my results shortly, all being well all passed.

The reason why I am posting is for advice on a matter, perhaps from those who hire and so have an idea of what employers look for or those who have been in the same position past or present. The issue I am having is that I am currently looking for a H&S specific job, nothing ambitious just something to get my foot in the door so to speak, as a trainee or similar role but so far have received no luck. Admittedly, there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of these roles available at least within range of where I live but so far all have come to nothing, not even an interview.

My question is it likely this will change when I officially have the NGC qualification or will it come down to the standard experience issue and if so, how would you recommend I gain this experience through alternative ways? I have had a few different types of jobs mainly in retail but also sales, travel and tourism and education and some have incorporated some aspect of health, safety and the environment in these roles and I am currently a health and safety rep within the company I work for now but I get the impression this isn't enough.

Any information or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Andrew
jodieclark1510  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2014 16:02:06(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Hi Andrew

Not a recruiter but new to Health and Safety workwise- my first position is part health and safety part admin/PA. I am in a relatively fortunate position as my boss knows I have qualifications while the person I am covering (maternity leave) doesn't- so I'm getting lots of useful experience in quite big health and safety projects/plans- with a few bits and bobs flung in for good measure. Perhaps to begin with look out for jobs which are more the admin side to start with? I see alot of health and safety admin jobs being advertised- they aren't perfect but they may be that foot in the door. I am thankful this company have given me the chance to get into health and safety because previously I got " lovely qualifications but no experience", now I have some physical experience to help cement what I have learned and am continuing to learn with my diploma.

keep plugging away- there is the perfect break waiting for you out there!

Jodie
westonphil  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2014 20:31:26(UTC)
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westonphil

williamsandrew wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for a change in career path and have chosen to go down the route of health and safety as it is something that interests me.


Why does it interest you?
Are there any particular aspects which interest you?
Have you looked at possible study options?

Regards.

aland76  
#4 Posted : 11 November 2014 08:24:51(UTC)
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aland76

Hi Andrew

Not a recruiter so can't help on that unfortunately, my thoughts are that you will definitely be taken more seriously as a job applicant holding NGC (and Tech IOSH), however you still also have to be realistic that this is a base qualification for H&S and pretty much all other applicants will carry this as a minimum.

As Phil has suggested there are advantages to further studying to give yourself a greater repertoire (although you may already be carrying a lot of other relevant qualifications anyway), anything to make you stand out from the crowd has to be a good thing! Personally when asked I advise people to look towards environmental training, as a lot of roles bundle this in to the description anyway.

Regardless of all of the above, sometimes you just need to be in the right place at the right time; I landed my SHE Manager role without any formal H&S qualifications, I applied for a none-managerial role in the company and guess I overplayed the H&S card at a time when they were considering bringing in a Safety Manager. Lucky breaks do still happen in this game ;)

Good luck!
Alan
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 18 November 2014 08:10:22(UTC)
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bob youel

With all due respect to all people and further to jodieclarks comments -------""my boss knows I have qualifications while the person I am covering (maternity leave) doesn't""

How on earth does somebody get / hold down a post where they have no academic qualifications in the subject??? I find that this happens particularly in H&S as you cannot get a lawyers, builders, bus drivers, cooks, teachers, designers, JCB driver etc. etc. etc. post unless U have the appropriate bits of paper!!!

Just a comment/rant
aland76  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2014 08:42:17(UTC)
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aland76

bob youel wrote:
How on earth does somebody get / hold down a post where they have no academic qualifications in the subject??? I find that this happens particularly in H&S as you cannot get a lawyers, builders, bus drivers, cooks, teachers, designers, JCB driver etc. etc. etc. post unless U have the appropriate bits of paper!!!

Just a comment/rant


Bob, formal qualifications aren't everything and other qualifications and work experience can be just as valuable. As I stated in my reply I landed my H&S Managers role without formal H&S qualifications, instead bringing an Environmental degree and a lot of years process experience operating high-risk chemical process plants, with all the none-accredited safety training that goes with it.

Taking your comment on face value I was unfit to be offered my role, I absolutely disagree with this comment/rant.

Yes NGC is generally the base qualification to begin a career in UK Health and Safety (as I mentioned in my original post encouraging the OP to follow this route), but to rant because people get a break in this sector without having "the appropriate bits of paper" just smack of elitism to me.
I know people who hold CMIOSH who I wouldn't employ to clean our toilets after seeing how they work, but at the same time know plenty of people without safety qualifications who have the right aptitude / background / experience to make damn fine Safety Managers with the right nurturing.

That's my comment/rant over

Alan
pl53  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2014 09:38:09(UTC)
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pl53

I got my first full time role in H&S at he age of 48 without any formal qualifications either. Fortunately my employer had the foresight to see some sort of potential in me. Now I have both the NEBOSH H&S and environmental diplomas and have achieved CMIOSH and AIEMA. Something I would not have been able to do if I had not been in a full time role.

So my question to Bob Youel is, how do you imagine a prospective candidate is able to achieve the qualifications you feel are so essential if they are not already in a H&S role? How many employers do you imagine would be willing to fund those qualifications for someone not in an H&S role?

Everyone has to start somewhere and fortunately some employers understand that.
edwill7  
#8 Posted : 27 November 2014 13:46:44(UTC)
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edwill7

I have been in OHS for 16 years and have moved through several industries in than time.

But my initial role was in quarrying, which I had been in for 13 years beforehand (quality, management and a bit of environment). This gave me an understanding of the issues / risks and problems within that industry and allowed me to communicate with confidence with everybody I worked with.

I did the role for 3 months and did my NGC block release, nobody questioned by qualifications.

Long story short, I am now in a wine production / import / packaging and distribution business. I had no knowldege beforehand (it was a 3 month temp contract that became full time). If I had gone from my original role and changed industry after being "qualified", I would have been completely out of my depth.

I have two advisors and I am potentially going to recruit a OHS Manager next year. I would not consider anybody external to this industry who was newly qualified. But I would employ somebody who could demonstrate solid experience within any relevant industry with transferrable skills.
OHS Management is
Nkosana  
#9 Posted : 27 December 2014 22:48:36(UTC)
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Nkosana

I have also recently completed my National General Certificate and awaiting Tech Iosh membership which is due for ratification in February 2015.
I am also looking for a career change in Health and Safety but seem not being able to get the breakthrough in a H & S specific job. I am coming from a Health & Social Care NVQ Training & Assessment background and was thinking I could have some compliance/auditor transferrable skills.
Any suggestions on career progression?
jodieclark1510  
#10 Posted : 30 December 2014 23:14:31(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Bob,

The cover I am doing is part h/s part pa, the person I'm covering came in as a pa with some h/s administration experience but she prefers the pa side of things- whereas I want to go on and get involved in whatever I can h/s wise. We are going for 18001 next year and had the opportunity to attend some courses with managers from each site after a month of working there- and I look forward to the work ahead.

I have come in after 3 years as a cleaner after studying criminology at uni ( little to no jobs in the prison service or border agency at the time but had bills to pay). I am over the moon I've got this oppurtunity- I'm 26 but just know this is the career I want. I just hope now I've got some experience I can apply that in applications and interviews in the future.
Safety Man 1  
#11 Posted : 30 December 2014 23:24:42(UTC)
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Safety Man 1

Hi All
After reading some of your posts especially Alan's, I would say it that someone who has achieved CMIOSH is only fit to clean out toilets, I would disagree with his opinion as it takes a lot of time and effort to achieve that status.
As far as as health and safety titles go, you can be a manager for a small to medium company but be an advisor for a large company, so its not the title that matters its the company you work for.
On the subject in getting experience why not do some work for a local charity or organisation to gain experience which will look good with any relevant qualifications you have.
Big Al  
#12 Posted : 31 December 2014 10:35:52(UTC)
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Big Al

williamsandrew wrote:
Hi,

I'm looking for a change in career path and have chosen to go down the route of health and safety as it is something that interests me. I have recently finished studying the NGC and are due to receive my results shortly, all being well all passed.

The reason why I am posting is for advice on a matter, perhaps from those who hire and so have an idea of what employers look for or those who have been in the same position past or present. The issue I am having is that I am currently looking for a H&S specific job, nothing ambitious just something to get my foot in the door so to speak, as a trainee or similar role but so far have received no luck. Admittedly, there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of these roles available at least within range of where I live but so far all have come to nothing, not even an interview.

My question is it likely this will change when I officially have the NGC qualification or will it come down to the standard experience issue and if so, how would you recommend I gain this experience through alternative ways? I have had a few different types of jobs mainly in retail but also sales, travel and tourism and education and some have incorporated some aspect of health, safety and the environment in these roles and I am currently a health and safety rep within the company I work for now but I get the impression this isn't enough.

Any information or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

Andrew


Hi Andrew

Friend of mine is in the exact same position. He has had some success in securing interviews however his lack of experience has let him down but on other occasion's him not having the Diploma/NVQ etc has been the decider. I guess it just depends on what the employer wants and what their circumstances are.

I would try and capitalize on any scenarios you can get involved in, even if its just a contractor on site changing some light-bulbs on a set of ladders for example.

That all said I would question if its something you really want to do because the reality is out past the idealistic world of the NEBOSH books, H&S can be a pain in the backside i.e. people don't want to know; people put their problems on to you because they have managed find a way to add an H&S angle to it and therefore its suddenly 'your' problem and not theirs and others see 'it' and you as a barrier to getting the job done. Breaking those barriers is part of the challenge I know, but it gets a bit tedious at times.
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