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jwk  
#1 Posted : 25 November 2014 17:30:31(UTC)
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jwk

Afternoon. In some cases we operate first aid posts which can carry out minor procedures such as suturing, which might otherwise require a trip to hospital; this is usually under the auspices of the NHS by contract. If a member of the public tripped, for example, at a venue and say cut their knee, which was then sutured on-site by us, but which would otherwise have required a trip to hospital for treatment, would this be reportable? I've checked the ACOP, which does refer to people injured in hospital, but it's not helpful and not necessarily clear. My own feeling is no, but interested in what others think, John
hilary  
#2 Posted : 25 November 2014 17:46:16(UTC)
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hilary

Is the member of public carrying out work duties is the first question - if not, then not reportable. Additionally, it needs to be a 7 lost day accident to be reportable or a broken bone of some sort. From your description they are not at work, not over 7 days and no broken bones - not reportable
DP  
#3 Posted : 25 November 2014 17:48:48(UTC)
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DP

I do not report unless taken directly to hospital - this omits Dr's clinics walk-in-centres, health centres etc. I do report however if the WIC is part of a NHS trust. Our Primary Authority supports this call too.
DP  
#4 Posted : 25 November 2014 17:51:06(UTC)
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DP

Hilary the 7 day rule and major injuries is not applicable to MOPs.
jwk  
#5 Posted : 26 November 2014 09:16:51(UTC)
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jwk

Thanks DP, if only I could engage in useful dialogue with our 'Primary Authority' (the HSE in this case of course), but this is something I fear HSE infoline would be clueless about. I think my confusion stems in part from the way the ACOP is written; what it says is this 'If a person who is not at work is injured on hospital premises as a result of an accident arising out of or in connection with work the injury must be reported if it falls into one of the categories of major injury defined in Schedule 1 to these Regulations. The different requirements are designed to ensure the reporting of accidents at hospitals which would have required removal to a hospital if they had occurred elsewhere.' The problem to me is it's not just major injuries which might require removal to a hospital for treatment; a serious laceration is not a major injury but could certainly need treatment in A&E. So the guidance (which is all it is) is contradicting itself. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of molehill..... but the spirit and the letter seem to be in contradiction here. Then there's the matter of whether our first aid tent, contracted by a local NHS Trust, is analagous to a hospital. DP's reply says it isn't so maybe that's my answer. Hilary, as DP points out this isn't about people at work, it is specifically about the requirement to report injuries to people not at work which need hospital treatment. In my field we come across these relatively frequently, what with 350 charity shops and a large number of care and support services, John
DP  
#6 Posted : 26 November 2014 10:30:53(UTC)
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DP

Share your frustration as many others do on here - that's why we see so many posts. with regards a tent - if on site at the trust reportable - if not no! That's my view, of course others will have theirs. I also believe that at the last review of the regs, there is now information stating if no treatment is provided at the hospital - no need to report. If fact this would of course mean the duty holder contacting the hospital to confirm. More confusion eh? I always say on these debates robust investigation on the incident with supporting evidence why you have made any decision not to report will stand you in good stead for and future scrutiny. Justify your reason and what can happen? Nothing.
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