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Hello everyone,
A quick question, one of our cleaners is being asked by our client to carry out (and record)the flushing of a basement tap. The tap has been identified as a source of stagnation due it's infrequent use.
Should our cleaner be sent on a Legionella awareness course in order to cover ourselves in the event of a Legionella outbreak?
I know it sounds a bit like 'using a sledge hammer to crack a nut'. However I am also aware that the ACOP has been updated and the enforcement authorities would take a rather dim view of us a business if we are getting involved in Legionnela control measures without providing the cleaner with some sort of training.
Thoughts please (be nice).
Thanks
DHM
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Yes I would say send them on an Awareness course or ask the client to arrange for them to be sent as they are asking for the work to be done.
They should have a Risk Assessment in place that covers this and all those involved should be trained and deemed competent.
It is interesting what you find out on the course so worth doing.
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Thanks JYoung, as I imagined!
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Surely it is for your client (the duty holder, as part of his management system) to record the flushing of the tap? I understand that your employee may well be the only user of this particular tap, but he should not pass on the recording responsibility to them.
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DHM
Its not necesary for your cleaner to go on an awareness course to flush a tap! So long as they flush the tap to the required length of time and regularity, and record their actions, then thats ok. However, attending an awareness course is a good thing!
Its not the Duty holder who has to do the tasks, his duty is to ensure the tasks are carried out in a competent way? By asking you and the cleaner to do it, then thats fine. He may well be asked to prove competence, which takes us back round to training?
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As I understand it, your cleaner is being asked to turn on a tap and let it run for a while as part of a wider legionella control program. How is a legionella awareness course going to help them with that? Does it make them any more competent to turn on the tap?
I'm all for giving training to people where it will truly help to control the risks, but what would be the benefit here?
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I don't think it needs a legionella awareness course to enable someone to turn a tap on either.
An issue that none of the other answers have flagged, however, is that the point of the flushing is to prevent the legionella reaching a dangerous level. That is, if you do the flushing then there isn't legionella, so you don't need to know all about it.
Maybe they only need the awareness course if you don't flush the tap.
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If money is no object send them on an awareness course with any approved training provider - easy done.
If money is a factor to consider, I would suggest prioritising control measures found in the company wide risk assessments. Simply offering advice to send them on awareness training is a little short sighted imo.
Follow the RA and flush the system through.
Cost Vs Benefit.
Just my opinion.
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I have to agree with achrn here. At my last place we sent our facilities people on awareness courses, or delivered them in house, but that was because they had to log temperatures, or in some cases test for dissolved copper ions, and generally manage large complex circulating hot water systems, as well as institute out low-use flushing regimes and so on.
The domestics usually did the low-use flushing, as well as the shower-head cleaning and so on, and we didn't train them beyond some informal instruction and orientation delivered by the facilities people. This worked for us, for a given value of 'worked'; we did have one case where the temperatures logged were low for about a year and no corrective action was taken, but that was isolated and the people involved had been trained, they just had their minds on other things.....
John
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Thanks for the interesting and measured responses on here.
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