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Bennett31384  
#1 Posted : 28 November 2014 09:59:29(UTC)
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Bennett31384

Morning all, At the end of the year I collate and analyse the safety observation, near miss and incident data, compare with previous years to look for trends etc. pretty standard activities. I like to feedback the findings of this data, so the individuals who take time to input the data; don't feel it is lost in a black hole. Demonstrating the cost of an accident and the "iceberg" model is easy. But here is the challenge, How do you promote safety when very little has happen which has had a negative impact. How can you demonstrate the activities carried out throughout the year have reduced risk and saved time and money? For example; In the past I have attributed a time and cost saving to safe observations based on; if the incident had not been avoided. Does anyone have any other examples of demonstrating how proactive activities have made a difference? Thanks
jwk  
#2 Posted : 28 November 2014 12:12:36(UTC)
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jwk

I think fire precautions are a classic example of this. My employer, along with many thousands of others, spends thousands and thousands of pounds a year on fitting and maintaining fire systems, servicing extinguishers, training staff etc etc, yet we almost never have fires, and almost nobody dies in fires in the workplace in most years. So why spend all this money? Well, it's because we spend all the money that almost nobody dies; domestic fires kill, in most years, an order of magnitude more people than workplace fires. Risk management, that's what it's all about, John
KieranD  
#3 Posted : 29 November 2014 17:58:53(UTC)
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KieranD

Bennett 31384 Your 'simple' question raises questions addressed by what has become known as 'evolutionary psychology', scientific study of communications used by people in the Stone Age. Nigel Nicholson, a professor at London Business School, has written a very readable guide to the issues called 'Managing the Human Animal', Texere, 2000, which is available on Amazon.co.uk If you'd like a copy of an article I've written recently on smart communications that address essentials of communications strategy for people familiar with Information Technology and still using Stone Age brains, PM me with your email address
AJG  
#4 Posted : 30 November 2014 09:24:13(UTC)
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AJG

Each day in the UK there are 100 -130 fires in workplace premises 40,000 accidental workplace Fires annually UK Fire counts for 20 workplace deaths and 1700 fire related injuries annually UK 57% of all fires occur in workplace premises between 8am -6pm UK. 45% due to Arson, 20% electrical, 20% due to other known causes UK The first half of 2013 insurers paid out over £800 million due to damage caused by fires alone. (Association of British insurers 2013 ) Average £1 billion insurance payouts every year Over 70% of businesses involved in a major fire either do not re-open, or subsequently fail within 3 years of a fire. Hi. I hope this gives you an idea about Fire and your workplace, Regards
chris42  
#5 Posted : 01 December 2014 10:23:18(UTC)
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chris42

quote=Bennett31384] For example; In the past I have attributed a time and cost saving to safe observations based on; if the incident had not been avoided. Thanks
There is a cost other than money in terms of injury to colleagues / public and the effect that has on moral and home life, due to disabling injuries. You could compare back to years gone by when the safety measures were not in place / as good as now. I don't think you should just concentrate on money and time saving. Just my view Chris
Bennett31384  
#6 Posted : 01 December 2014 10:33:15(UTC)
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Bennett31384

I appreciatI appreciate your view Chris and thanks. Time and money are tangible and easy for individuals to visualise/quantify, this is why I have used this option in the past. But the point of the post is to generate some ideas, so thanks. Please keep the ideas coming.
KieranD  
#7 Posted : 01 December 2014 11:48:25(UTC)
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KieranD

Bennett31384 You are limiting your own options by assuming that you need to promote safety when by 'demonstrating' that the activities carried out throughout the year have reduced risk and saved time and money. Working in a corporate setting with highly educated managers, there is a lot to be said for communicating in a style that shows they are more sophisticated than an average GCSE student or perhaps even than a 'pleb' who needs such a demonstration. By using a couple of case studies, you can highlight the ingenuity of some of their peers (in your company and in others, even in other sectors) who have made complex safety management decisions under pressure, thanks to the system you have devised (with them). James Reason's recent books on complex safety leadership raise the bar on safety communications, with gentle edge - that capture the attention and imagination of busy managers, and prompt them to think and talk about their challenges. Not very long ago, I attended a meeting addressed by a hardy engineer who had been a very successful CEO of a global oil company. His talk was very entertaining to the point that he had the audience in the palm of his hand. He impressed me much more in his response when I observed that he hadn't spoken about safety in his success story; his reply was spot on and very credible. He was equally impressive talking informally in a small group afterwards, where his familiarity with dilemmas of operational managers whom he expected to practise safety as a priority came across in low-key yet very convincing tones. Now that he manages investment funds, he puts the same doctrine to work.
Bennett31384  
#8 Posted : 01 December 2014 14:31:10(UTC)
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Bennett31384

On reflection, maybe my initial statement was too basic. I am looking for a metric or way of describing how proactive safety activities have resulted in no accidents and incidents. Just because you have not had an incident, is a tenuous link to a potential proactive activity, some could say it was just luck! Most safety metrics are negative, such as lost time, number of first aid incidents. Without a negative event what other information can you measure to show value to an organisation. I am just looking for ideas, what have others tried? Have you had any success? My example of attributing a potential saving of time and money to a safe observation went down well and made people appreciate and understand the value of collecting the data (observations) which they had been entering throughout the year. I appreciate the posts so far and examples, I am just trying to stimulate some more discussion.
chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 01 December 2014 14:50:35(UTC)
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chris.packham

This thread seems to have largely left out the 'health' aspect of health and safety. I suggest that with health there is often a potential to demonstrate the benefits of having appropriate controls in place. By implementing an effective health surveillance system (lung function testing, audiometry, skin condition measurement) you can detect where your exposure management is not working as it should before the clinical damage occurs. By showing the results of the various interventions/monitoring activities you can show how the early detection has resulted in improvements in controls and thus in reduction of the risk of occupational ill health. Think of health surveillance as your quality controls system on the adequacy of your exposure controls. Chris
KieranD  
#10 Posted : 01 December 2014 17:21:02(UTC)
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KieranD

Bennett31384 Since you're now looking for a 'metric', you're talking about design, execution and evaluation of one or more surveys. There's a host of literature on how to do this reliably and validly - spending resources on doing it without careful attention to reliability and validity as well as usable results is a recipe for waste and trouble. Chris Packham is quite right in highlighting the significance of 'health', although its scope is far beyond compliance with regulations about physical health. 'Wellbeing and health' research can reveal cost-effectiveness of good work by OSH specialists and manager, in terms of employee (and managerial) engagement and perhaps retention. You may well raise your own standards and aspirations by developing useful 'metrics' in this area in so far as you share research outcomes with people at all levels. While there's no simple way of conducting such research, the hardest bit is often figuring out your purpose(s), which is where you are right now.
JohnW  
#11 Posted : 02 December 2014 11:21:36(UTC)
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JohnW

Bennett31384 wrote:
I am looking for a metric or way of describing how proactive safety activities have resulted in no accidents and incidents. Most safety metrics are negative, such as lost time, number of first aid incidents. Without a negative event what other information can you measure to show value to an organisation. I am just looking for ideas, what have others tried? Have you had any success?
Bennett, what you do each year my main customer (and I) do every month. The 'metric' we use is each month we score departments in topics like Accidents, Toolbox Talks, inspections conducted, safety/engineering jobs to do, safety ideas generated etc Each month each department GETS 10 points for each topic, but LOSE some of those points for accidents and incidents (depending on severity), they lose points if they didn't do toolbox talks, they lose points if safety/engineering jobs are not completed. For safety ideas they get additional points. So in the chart the team running with the highest points has the best Team Performance, through having less accidents and keeping on top of safety training and safety-related engineering jobs. And there's an award at the end of the year. Currently the best team this year has accumulated about 400 points, closely followed by another team on 390. The poorest team is down at 200 points. It's not perfect; the team on 200 is the largest and most complex department, 50 men and a continuous process with chemicals, conveyors, fork lift traffic etc so they are more likely to have incidents and engineering problems, maybe unfair on them :o)
KieranD  
#12 Posted : 02 December 2014 11:48:12(UTC)
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KieranD

Bennett31384 With what you perceive to be a 'proactive' safety system, two main possibilities have been shown in other organisations. One is that your perceptions and judgments are profoundly flawed and are upended by catastrophic failures attributable to systematic errors you and those you advise have simply discounted or overlooked. The other is that the sensitivity and quality of your measurement system is well below the standard of practice of a bona fide measurement system, so that complacency results in not gathering the data that really mature safety and health systems use to maintain and improve cost-effectiveness through programmes of employee engagement.
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