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Thanks John -U always provide good information and walker is correct as nobody who has the power etc. to do something about the situation cares

quote=Isaac J Threadbare]As Walker or someone once said, you don't need to be an electrician to be an electrician. You just need to consider yourself to be competent. .

"So it follows then that as long as the individual is not required to prove (in this case electrical) competence/knowledge and understanding in the exam room, he/she can think him/herself safe. Trained by an idiot, work like an idiot." This sounds similar to a post I was in the middle of writing but which disappeared and I have not been able to locate since. It was in regard to competency with electrics and conducting simple repairs or extension of sockets and I gave the terms by which I felt I was experienced and knowledgeable to complete these works without the need of a qualified electrician. Walker- you are quite right it bears no reference to this thread. Kevin

Found the thread Isaac was on about and it was neither Walker or myself that made any comment. FYI- my posting relates to my house and not the sale of electrical services as was indicated in the original thread.

Kevkel, just out of curiosity, how do you test your electrical work? Say an extension lead you have made. Perhaps with a plug-in tester, something like a Martindale? I would really like to know this.

Isaac, I have a mutimeter and a socket tester (not martindale but some generic brand) which I use to test any minor work, and with which I am satisified is safe. In reply to your comments, yes I am on the side of safety. The side that is practical, risk based, measured and planned. Before condemning people for their ignorance maybe you should find out a little information about the person! You have no idea who I am (asides my name and location), my experience, skills, background etc.

First things first: You told him not to test the RCD. You are the client, you call the shots. He has no right to just switch stuff off if you won't let him.. Your call not his. Secondy, why didn't you move the chemicals out of the way. Access is required to test and inspect the electrical safety connections. Your call not his. I comes under Limitations an Extent discussed between the tester and the client. Your fault not his FS. You stopped him.

@John Murray, Apologies for the thread hijack. Kevin

Please replace the word competence with competent. The problem with this forum is that people who don't actually know what they are talking about pass themselves off as competent to do so and endanger others. Kevkel (and any mods who may be looking in here). What you have posted is dangerous. To any one else... please do NOT test with the kit that Kevkel uses.

Kevkel READ ME and be a little bit safer http://www.electricalsaf...est-Practice-Guide-8.pdf

My apologies Paul, I keep thinking this was a safety site? If advice is being given on electrical matters here then let's give good and correct advice shall we? Kevkel and a few here give 'advice' to others regarding electrical matters yet he is rather short of knowledge himself. So what you're saying then Paul is you find it all too much for you to follow what is going on here? Or perhaps you would like to say if I'm wrong or right? Nice to see that you're not really interested in electrical matter mate.

Then why not start a thread purely dedicated to why people should not undertake electrical works in their own homes without the correct competencies (and testing equipment) rather than hijacking threads and endeavouring to turn it into (yet another) a debate about electrical competency. We are all aware that there are many things we should not undertake if we are in anyway unsure how to do them. And the potential consequences of getting them wrong. I personally did not see any advice given. Merely one poster respond to you by saying he had undertaken some minor electrical works on his own property and had no problems. That is a statement not advice.

Paul, walker says it all in post #2 and I for one totally agree with him/her (not taking the mick here walker as I really don't know if male or female, not that it matters either way) I (we) have started many threads on electrical safety here along with one or two others on this forum, and others, but, sad to say, only electrical people join-in. A truth is, most people involved in safety haven't much of a clue about electrical safety (another truth is that not many so-called electricians do either). The in-house electrician that Kevkel mentions being one of them. Let me try this. Does one need qualifications to become a Tech Iosh? I think the answer would be .... Yes Isaac Would anyone here take advice from a bloke who thinks he understands H&S without H&S qualifications and let them run a building site? I hope it's a NO Isaac. Kev, your last sentence says a lot mate. If the circuit was faulty before you worked on it (unless tested you would not know) and as you were the last one to work on it the defects have now been added to. Before we add to a circuit we test it to make sure it is sound. I hope you tested the shower circuit? But I hope with an RCD tester/loop impedance tester etc. By the a circuit will work with a neutral to earth fault and unless tested would not be picked up until a second fault popped up. (circuit and RCD - tested and please not tested by the push-button but tested correctly) I cannot speak for Ireland regarding you doing what you like to an electrical installation. But I would imagine that you may be asked to prove how you tested it if you killed someone and your electrical qualifications/experience may be asked for for that matter. A DIY book and a receipt from B&Q may not cut it in a court! (Please refer to Part P in the UK and a shower comes under Part P in the UK) Again, if you have installed an electric shower in the UK without notifying Building control you may have a problem

You don't need to be Tech IOSH to be a good Site Agent, Site Manager, and being Tech IOSH doesn't demonstrate competence or qualification at most of the things you do need to be a good site manager.

It would appear that in the eyes of some qualifications are a waste of time and effort and all we need to do is convince others that we know what we are talking about. Well, chaps, that only works until you bump into someone who actually knows what they are talking about. On another post (that was removed) the same thing was said as I recall. If the people running safety on-site are doing it ad hoc without being qualified (again in another post that was removed) what kind of signals do you think that sends out to the people who see right through it all? Jobs for the boys? It may not be true but it is the way it is seen. It seems to me that the less you know the better you are. Happy days.