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jarsmith83  
#1 Posted : 03 December 2014 10:29:32(UTC)
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jarsmith83
Anyone got any information on Amendment 3 BS7671:2015 and the potential affects this could pose to companies?

Many thanks in advance for any help/advice.
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Isaac J Threadbare  
#2 Posted : 03 December 2014 12:19:43(UTC)
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Zs values altered due to a 'new' voltage.
New rules on distribution boards, take a little look at:
http://3rdamendment.co.uk/

http://electrical.theiet...amendment-no-3/index.cfm

It's a bit up-in-the-air at the moment but there are concerns amongst the trade. It seems that, at last, things are moving regarding the term 'competent'.

It was proposed to modify the definition of ‘skilled person’ to align this definition with that of the IEV (International Electrotechnical Vocabulary). The Committee also proposed to modify the definition of ‘instructed person’ for the same purpose.

These changes will be reflected throughout the wiring regulations. For example, Regulation 134.1.1 has been changed from:

"Good workmanship by competent persons or persons under their supervision and proper materials shall be used in the erection of the electrical installation. Electrical equipment shall be installed in accordance with the instructions provided by the manufacturer of the equipment."

to:

"Good workmanship by skilled (electrically) or instructed (electrically) persons and proper materials shall be used in the erection of the electrical installation. The installation of electrical equipment shall take account of manufacturers’ instructions."
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Isaac J Threadbare  
#3 Posted : 03 December 2014 12:21:06(UTC)
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The above was 'cut and pasted' from the second address...' It was proposed etc........
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Isaac J Threadbare  
#4 Posted : 03 December 2014 12:26:07(UTC)
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Isaac J Threadbare
Training will be required at some stage and a few 3rd amendment courses are in the pipe-line. It would be a good idea to send people on the courses as there seems to be many seemingly small but in reality significant changes. A few of us think that an 18th Edition of BS7671 will be along in a little while!!!
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jarsmith83  
#5 Posted : 03 December 2014 13:56:38(UTC)
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Thanks Isaac,

Fantastic response and very "too point". So, the effect would be felt mainly on companies with approved and skilled person structures on initial update.....its going to be interesting updating internal procedures :-)
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Isaac J Threadbare  
#6 Posted : 03 December 2014 14:55:04(UTC)
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If I can help further let me know J. I have to get right on top of it to be able to teach it... Oh what fun :-)
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paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 03 December 2014 22:43:34(UTC)
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Also changes on EMC requirements.
That will be interesting as the installer is going to be responsible for ensuring all kit installed meets EMC requirements, and providing data to the client.
There is tonnes of it out there that does not have this info available, and what's more does not comply.
The requirement for metallic cable restraints, in ALL escape routes, in ALL buildings.
That is quite a biggie.
Ferrous consumer units in Domestic premises, everywhere.
That's two for the Social Housing people.

A robust risk assessment attached to the electrical cert in order to justify omitting 30mA RCD protection on ANY socket outlet circuit ANYWHERE, including industrial & commercial.
That is not to say, it can't be done, and there are times it can't be done, but, it must be detailed why.
NO chance to omit in domestic whatsoever.

All auxiliary circuits to be certified, Zs on dc control circuits will be interesting. No increase in scope though, so machinery still covered by its own standards thank goodness.

Changes to EIC & EICR forms.

I would have to disagree about the compulsory course, as it is still the 17th, the 18th is a few amendments away yet according to the pattern, and BS0.

HOWEVER, in saying that, those working to it must understand it, so if that means formal training, then so be it.
Some of us have been following the changes since the DPC was issued.
Which BTW has changed quite a bit!

There is a 6 month lead in from January, so 1/6/15 all regs, bar steel consumer units in domestic must be implemented, to comply with the standard.
That has a delayed lead in period, into 2016 IIRC, BUT, I would need to check, I can't remember now.
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Isaac J Threadbare  
#8 Posted : 04 December 2014 08:13:49(UTC)
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And... to all the above, some would say that 'you don't need to be qualified to be an electrician...' just 'competent' whatever that means ;-) Let us not forget that ALL the guidance notes and guides will need to be re=printed...
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walker  
#9 Posted : 04 December 2014 08:30:35(UTC)
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walker
Isaac J Threadbare wrote:
.' just 'competent' whatever that means ;-) ...


I've always been of the opinion that reg 16 of EAWR & guidance, gives the best definition of competence in any safety regulation and its the one I always quote (and not just for electrics)
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walker  
#10 Posted : 04 December 2014 08:32:51(UTC)
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Thanks Paul, I may (if that is OK with you?) quote you as a update brief to our Electrical Duty Holders
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Isaac J Threadbare  
#11 Posted : 04 December 2014 09:46:15(UTC)
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I agree walker, it is one that is as close as it gets. I just wish more would read it hence the 'wink' at the end of the post.
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paul.skyrme  
#12 Posted : 04 December 2014 18:29:12(UTC)
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walker wrote:
Thanks Paul, I may (if that is OK with you?) quote you as a update brief to our Electrical Duty Holders


Well it's out there Walker, so I guess it's public domain info now! ;)

Please bear in mind that the draft was only signed off a few days ago, so it has only just gone to print.

Also, I have not seen the final draft, but I have asked a few pointed questions of people that have.

There are more changes that are proposed I am aware of,
Changes to the requirements for portable and transportable buildings which could be quite complex, to include earth monitoring.

There is an option for using plastic consumer units I missed out, you can put them in a non-flammable box, however, adequate access must be ensured.

Note however, that a steel/non-flammable enclosure will be required even around the first protective device, even on TT systems.
That takes a little thought, if it is steel.

Further updates can be found in these links.

There is a video on YouTube here:

By Mark Coles, Technical Regulations Manager IET which may help.

Another by the ECA here:

(Not watched this one yet...)

Another by LFB with the IET (Geoff Cronshaw, Chief Engineer) here:

(Not watched this one yet...)

Again, there will be more changes that I have not mentioned, also it does seem that the "metallic consumer unit" regulation will not be in force until Jan 16 as I suspected.

Please note that things may have changed from the last information I managed to get, and the final version that has, now, gone to print.
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