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stretch3144  
#1 Posted : 02 December 2014 22:18:30(UTC)
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stretch3144

I am planning to run a series of 1 day EFAW courses for my employer in January 15. Previously I have been able to borrow manikins and first aid equipment for these courses but am now in a position where I can purchase kit for the company's use. Please could someone provide me with a comprehensive list of equipment needed to teach both EFAW and FAW courses. Many thanks.
ashleywillson  
#2 Posted : 03 December 2014 08:31:26(UTC)
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ashleywillson

I don't know the list of equipment, but surely if you are competent to deliver the course you would know? Please don't take this post in the wrong way, it is just an external observation.
kevkel  
#3 Posted : 03 December 2014 16:39:16(UTC)
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kevkel

Strech3144 It depends on your budget but you generally require the following; 3 Adult Manikins- 1 for every 3 people is a good measure 1 child manikin 1 baby manikin- choking baby does both uses. 3 AED trainers- as avove Kneel mats spare lungs/ manikin faces disinfectant wipes-not household ones! First aid kit- 11-25 persons Minimum of 10 face masks- most instructors supply these to each student to keep Disposable face mask valves for each student Blanket Empty inhaler units 10-15 triangular bandages- again most instructors supply these to each student to keep 10-15 crepe bandages. Ice packs assortment of dressings Books for each student- i print my own (cheap option) These are the basic things I can think of at the moment. There are many other items such as models and props but its entirely up to yourself. FYI-I ordered a family pack of manikins from Laerdel in the US of A and it was significantly cheaper than ordering in Ireland or UK. Kevin
kevkel  
#4 Posted : 03 December 2014 16:40:39(UTC)
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kevkel

oh and lots of spare pads for the AED depending on which ones you buy!!!
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 04 December 2014 07:19:33(UTC)
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bob youel

I too was thinking like Ashley W; and again please do not take offence its just that it appears a funny question especially with regards to first aid which is a very important area? Perhaps its the way that the question was put?
Animax01  
#6 Posted : 04 December 2014 08:58:06(UTC)
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Animax01

Don't forget the training material... Depends on whether you plan you put this together yourself or by a pre-prepared course. A projector & a quiet training room with plenty of floor space. Chairs and tables or at least clip boards as their is bound to be a written portion to the course. And lastly, and quite possibly the most important, plenty of tea and coffee to keep the trainees happy and alert.
kenty  
#7 Posted : 05 December 2014 16:43:48(UTC)
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kenty

Are these requirements not specificed by the accreditation body or included in the course specification? Adding to the lists above:- gloves sterile pads gauzes odds & ends for simulating injuries & making the practice more realistic & fun!!
Route66  
#8 Posted : 09 December 2014 13:19:50(UTC)
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Route66

I too am wondering about the OP. Of course, people often leave out key aspects when posting questions in forums, but in this case, it has to be asked what background stretch3144 has? Is this EFAW being delivered on behalf of an accredited provider, or as an independent? If being delivered on behalf of one of the 20 or so Ofqual accredited Awarding Bodies, then they should be providing the necessary support; their requirements regarding resources will be part of their internal quality systems. Equally, their instructors course will have included such details. If delivering an accredited course, the requirements from Oct 2015 will include an 'Assessor' qualification, in addition to being an 'Instructor'. Just as background info for those reading this who are not aware of the current position, there are now 4 ways of having EFAW/FAW training. 1 - Ofqual (or equivalent body in NI/W/S) accredited 2 - Voluntary Sector (Red Cross/St Johns/St Andrews) trading on their reputation. 3 - Other 'professional body' overseen, ie member of FOFATO 4 - Totally freelance and unaccredited/regulated, requiring extreme due diligence, e.g. moonlighting paramedic, requiring the employer to defend their choices. So I have to wonder where stretch is coming from, if they don't know all the equipment needed from when they qualified as a FA Instructor?
Isaac J Threadbare  
#9 Posted : 09 December 2014 14:51:14(UTC)
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Isaac J Threadbare

Get trained first then train ;-) ? Fat Dave has cut his arm at the elbow, bllod pours from the wound he cries out in fear.... 'Please god, don't let me pass out just yet, at least, not before stretch gets qualified' (Just a thought) But it would seem that the op has done this before? 'Borrow' first aid kit? Then, once used, re-roll the bandages and put them back in the box? I know Mods... another warning one the way
Route66  
#10 Posted : 09 December 2014 15:56:28(UTC)
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Route66

kevkel wrote:
Strech3144 It depends on your budget but you generally require the following; 3 Adult Manikins- 1 for every 3 people is a good measure 1 child manikin 1 baby manikin- choking baby does both uses. 3 AED trainers- as avove Kneel mats spare lungs/ manikin faces disinfectant wipes-not household ones! First aid kit- 11-25 persons Minimum of 10 face masks- most instructors supply these to each student to keep Disposable face mask valves for each student Blanket Empty inhaler units 10-15 triangular bandages- again most instructors supply these to each student to keep 10-15 crepe bandages. Ice packs assortment of dressings Books for each student- i print my own (cheap option) These are the basic things I can think of at the moment. There are many other items such as models and props but its entirely up to yourself. FYI-I ordered a family pack of manikins from Laerdel in the US of A and it was significantly cheaper than ordering in Ireland or UK. Kevin
3 Adult Manikins- 1 for every 3 people is a good measure 1 child manikin 1 baby manikin- choking baby does both uses. 3 AED trainers- as avove Kneel mats Dealing with this section of Kevin's list 1 Manikin for 4 is usually the recommended, so 3 total, since you're rarely going to have the space to put 4 out, not to watch 4 groups at once. Why do you need a baby?It's a nice have for 'family' use or if dealing with retail workers, but NOT part of EFAW/FAW. 3 AED Trainers? Why? Only if teaching DeFib (I appreciate Kevin may be Irish and it might be part of their syllabus) Kneel Mats? That's what Laerdal Resussi Anne bags are for, or use the floor as is. Casualties don't collapse where there's mats! 10-15 triangular bandages- again most instructors supply these to each student to keep 10-15 crepe bandages. Ice packs Well it should be 1 Triangular per delegate, but why issue new disposable ones to a delegate since they are so flimsy they won't last for several uses. Get some old calico cotton ones and reuse as required. Crepe bandage and Ice packs, why train with something that is not standard in a FAK? Empty Inhalers? Difficult to get unless you have a friendly pharmacist and quite frankly, are of limited value since the majority of people will know about inhallers, whereas Trainer Adrenalin auto-injectors are of greater use and available from the various manufacturers/suppliers. Depending on your location, it depends which brands are in your market. UK currently has Jext, Epi, Emerade (Anapen was withdrawn in UK due to potential mechanism failure) Eire I believe currently has Anapen and Jext. ...and finally, "Books for each student- i print my own (cheap option)", well what a skinflint, giving delegates some sort of home made handout. There are many booklet publishers and they cost around £3 for an EFAW or £7 for an FAW giving a far more professional resource to delegates than a DIY handout. Unless Kevin has a professional printing press at home.
kevkel  
#11 Posted : 10 December 2014 11:15:16(UTC)
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kevkel

Route 66, Yes I am from Ireland and the Occupational First Aid course is fully prescribed by an organisation on behalf of the statutory body. The manikins are used for different applications. No point teaching FAW in a creche with adult manikins! I use the calico, reuse them continously including washing and ironing of course. The book I give out is one I have written myself and is very comprehensive. Kevin
stretch3144  
#12 Posted : 14 December 2014 16:28:37(UTC)
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stretch3144

Gents, Just to set the record straight. I am indeed a first aid instructor. I qualified in 2012 as part of resettlement training prior to leaving the RAF. During my time in the RAF I was a trade training instructor and attended the Train the Trainer course and then went on to do CTLLs. The training provider was a company called PIP. I certified as a first aid trainer/examiner to teach HSE approved course under approval number 32/07 and can teach EFAW, FAW, Paediatric FA and CPR. I was volunteered to deliver a first aid course back in July for my previous employer, but had not taken the plunge to purchase my own training aids and equipment - mainly due to the expense as I was in a job and not looking to do any self employed/freelance teaching. Now however I am in a new job in a H&S role and my boss is keen for me to train some of the supervisors within the company and has requested a list/prices to purchase kit for the company's use. My training provider failed to provide a list of equipment during the course hence my question on here. Kevkel - thanks for the list. Route66 - thanks for the revised list and the certification info (my certificate says HSE so is that same as Ofqual?). Isaac J Threadbare - love the sarcasm. Please bleed to death quietly :-) Kenty - thanks for the additional list. Animax01 - plenty of projectors in my workplace and great tip about the brews! Bob youel & ashley willson - you're both right to point out my failings - should have paid more attention in class lol.
Isaac J Threadbare  
#13 Posted : 14 December 2014 20:23:07(UTC)
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Isaac J Threadbare

Dear Stretch As I have a heart of stone completing the request you made is not possible at this time ;-) But I'm sure that one or two people here are working on it :-) Good luck with the training.
Route66  
#14 Posted : 15 December 2014 20:30:23(UTC)
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Route66

"Route66 - thanks for the revised list and the certification info (my certificate says HSE so is that same as Ofqual?)" Stretch The old (pre Oct 2013) system was for HSE approval, i.e. your example of "I certified as a first aid trainer/examiner to teach HSE approved course under approval number 32/07" As you've written, it makes it sound like you were a centre (32/07) in your own right, in which case why did you not become aware of all these change via the HSE.? If you were acting for some other organisation (PIP?) then why didn't they inform you? There's bucket loads of info on the HSE website, starting here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/fi...id/approved-training.htm If you're providing it yourself, in-house, without using an accredited body, then you'd fall under the 4th of the options I listed, i.e. Utmost due diligence required as no external oversight being used.
Route66  
#15 Posted : 15 December 2014 20:39:26(UTC)
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Route66

Oh, sorry, I just realised that you said you qualified in 2012, so you can't have been centre 32/07, so in which case, why didn't that centre keep you informed? All these changes were in full flow in 2012, in fact they were being phased in from Jan 13, ahead of the cut-over date of Oct 13. Must admit to being a little confused by some of what you've put. I just looked up PIP, and I see that they are now (perhaps they were in 2012 too) using Highfields as an Awarding Body, so perhaps your qualification came from them? In which case I'd recommend using them as the awarding body for the FAW/EFAW training and then they would give you all the info you need.
stretch3144  
#16 Posted : 18 December 2014 12:02:55(UTC)
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stretch3144

Route66, Many thanks for your replies. Yes, PIP are accredited by HighfieldABC and I will be going along that route for certification of my candidates.
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