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jodieclark1510  
#1 Posted : 24 December 2014 09:03:43(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Good Morning,

It's nearly Christmas!!

I was wondering if anyone could give me any information or advice on CIEH Level 3 Education and Training? I have been thinking for a while about perhaps adding the teaching string to my bow but am not sure where to start or how to go about it. I don't have formal teaching qualifications but have conducted some training in current and previous roles.

Any advice/ input would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
walker  
#2 Posted : 24 December 2014 09:39:39(UTC)
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walker

A couple of years back I decided I needed to refresh my trainer skills and considered this course.
In the end I went for PTLLS - its more readily available around the UK & more widely accepted/known. Also if you find that training is your thing its upgradeable.

I found it was very worthwhile, partly because I (by luck) picked an excellent trainer in Derby.
jodieclark1510  
#3 Posted : 24 December 2014 09:49:56(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Thanks Walker I'll have a look- what is the course like?
westonphil  
#4 Posted : 24 December 2014 11:37:55(UTC)
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westonphil

You may wish to read these links before making your decision Jodie.

http://www.mentertrainin...k/news/154-ptlls-changes

http://promotetraining.c...ations-review-2012-2013/

I am currently doing the L3 E & T through my local college and finish early Jan 2015.

In my opinion it teaches some useful new skills and provides a good first level education and training qualification. So from my point of view I have learned a few new things which I can make good use of. However on the downside it is more targeted at teaching in college, school etc., and there are significant differences between those and how we often do training in industry, and there are known/acceptable reasons for it. If you undertake the course you will understand what I mean.

If you want any more information by all means PM, now or as you go through the course.

Regards
jodieclark1510  
#5 Posted : 24 December 2014 12:25:12(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Thanks Phil I certainly will :-)
HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 24 December 2014 13:15:58(UTC)
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HSSnail

Have to take issue with the info in the 1st link westonphil posted CIEH do not have the monopoly on training qualifications as the link trys to suggest! and i say that as a registered CIEH trainer!

When I first started "teaching" as we called it back then, the CIEH did a "train the trainer" course. I already had training qualifications so they did not expect me to do this. At that time the CIEH trainer course was only recognised by CIEH.

I was looking recently on doing the PTLL's course as my trainers qualification is starting to look a little dated, but held off because I thought it was changing. My understanding is it is now known as Education and Training Award Level 3.

What do you want to do with the training? If you just want to do CIEH courses then great, but if you want to train other things make sure which every route you are taking is accredited to the right level. I suspect the CIEH will be but make sure. Lost of local collages offer the level 3 course form various bodies such as city and guilds so shop around for what is best for you.
walker  
#7 Posted : 24 December 2014 13:23:55(UTC)
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walker

Agree with Brian.

I chose a trainer offering C&G qualifications as they are a widely recognised awarding body.
If you don't know where life is going to take you (retirement beckons for me) its best not to narrow your options.
jodieclark1510  
#8 Posted : 24 December 2014 13:32:08(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Thank you for your inputs!

I am relatively new to Health and safety, I have undertaken the manual handling train the trainer- which I did enjoy. It came up at work someone is coming in to teach a level 1 CIEH Health and Safety course, and because I don't know where life will take me I feel it would be good experience and would be another string to the bow. At present I feel drawn to getting people involved and to understand the basics of health and safety and also risk assessment and I thought a teaching qualification may just help me be able to develop my speaking skills so i can interchange between audiences if that makes sense and to get people on side with health and safety- making it into an open conversation rather than a "bolt-on" for example
HSSnail  
#9 Posted : 24 December 2014 13:46:16(UTC)
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HSSnail

Level 1 are you sure?

That is a very basic - even the level 2 (which we used to call Basic training) is very broad brush - that's not to say its not worth doing depending on your knowledge base. Have a look at the IOSH courses under the training tab on this site - I am told the "managing safety" is a good course.
westonphil  
#10 Posted : 24 December 2014 17:42:59(UTC)
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westonphil

The link was more about pointing out that PTTL is being phased out and which is relevant information.

Regards

HSSnail  
#11 Posted : 30 December 2014 14:24:19(UTC)
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westonphil

apologies if my post appeared to be a criticism of the help you had offered. You give good support on this forum to people and I thought the second link was excellent. My issue was the way the training site implied that pttls had become CIEH level 3 in EAT. If it had said CIEH Pttls had become CIEH EAT or pttls had become EAT and the CIEH offered the training I would have had no comment.
westonphil  
#12 Posted : 30 December 2014 20:37:04(UTC)
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westonphil

No worries Brian, your point was correct, but thanks for the consideration.

I used a link to make one point, but it also seemed to make another which as you correctly suggested could be misleading.

Regards
jodieclark1510  
#13 Posted : 30 December 2014 23:04:56(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Bryan,

It has been organised through a union and a high percentage of the warehouse staff don't have gcse qualifications etc hence coming in at level 1 (the union can get the funding for it). I've done managing safely, ngc and fire, manual handling train the trainer, iiai course and currently on my diploma and booked on an auditing course in Feb. I want to look at teaching to give me a bit more confidence and another avenue to explore as my contract is due to end in May.

Safety hasn't always been a big thing where I work at the minute so anything is valuable in my eyes- I feel a bit of understanding goes a long way, plus people have shown some interest because it's an accredited qualification. They have asked me to teach some of those not in the union so that sparked my initial thought
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