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NSC80  
#1 Posted : 13 January 2015 13:01:05(UTC)
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NSC80

Hello everyone!

I've applied for a position in a company based in Scotland in need for a bilingual HSE trainer in the O&G industry. The position requires frequent travelling (50%+) required to client's locations in several portuguese speaking countries all over the world (Brazil and Angola mainly) to provide training. They liked my CV and I've been asked for salary expectations and quite honestly I don't know the UK market, as I live in Portugal. I'm a B.Eng with an Occupational Safety Post-graduation and recently joined IOSH as Grad with 6 years experience in construction safety as CDM-C and Safety Advisor and more recently 2 years as assistant Safety Coordinator in a oil refinery. I am proficient in OHSAS 18001, ISO 9001, ISO 14001, BS 8800, API, OSHA, ATEX and NFPA standards and CDM and Machines Directive.

Can I have some opinions, please?

Thank you
NSC
Steve W1  
#2 Posted : 13 January 2015 15:02:33(UTC)
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Steve W1

A survey regarding salaries was carried out by IOSH click on the link below it may help.


http://www.iosh.co.uk/~/...201_FINAL%20%282%29.ashx
chris42  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2015 16:06:52(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks Steve
I'm really depressed now :0(

Sorry I'm unable to help you NSC80, but looking at the above document and area you are in you should be able to get a reasonable remuneration. Good luck with the job.

Chris
John M  
#4 Posted : 13 January 2015 16:06:56(UTC)
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John M

Forget surveys - they can be manipulted to suit the desired effect.

A top notch trainer can command and indeed get £900 - £1000 per day for offshore work. Coupled with your language skills I would be seeking a yearly salary of £80K + benefits as salaried.

Consulting (self employed) - name your own price. Some Cat. A sites are known to pay £500 for advisors with good safety managers close on £600 per day.

Hope this helps.

Jon
NSC80  
#5 Posted : 13 January 2015 18:26:37(UTC)
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NSC80

Thank you all for your contribution!

I was already aware of the survey Steve W mentioned, but I tend to agree with Chris42. One thing statistics back at university taught me was that they are good to understand trends, but very poor in specific cases. I guess that's the point of them. Regarding the salary, 80k+benefits pa sounds great, but I'm not an experienced offshore trainer and probably is a bit bold to ask. I consider myself as an experienced trainer with +1500 hours training given in Permit to Work; Energy Isolation; Confined Space Entry; Working at heights; Lifting Operations; Explosive atmosphere but all onshore. They didn't ask for offshore experience and will provide for Basic Offshore Safety Induction and Emergency Training course (BOSIET). As far as I can see, offshore experience adds thousands of pounds to the salary and they probably want an experienced HSE professional without offshore experience to pay less and build experience working for them. The HR officer said that some short offshore training might be expected, but the majority of the role will be onshore.
NSC80  
#6 Posted : 13 January 2015 18:28:05(UTC)
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NSC80

NSC80 wrote:
I tend to agree with Chris42.

Sorry, it should have been John M
stuie  
#7 Posted : 13 January 2015 20:25:26(UTC)
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stuie

You can ask what you want - but what you might get is possibly going to be very different?
I guess you are frightened of pricing yourself out of the job?
Look at what you need to live on, look at what 'extras' you would like and then add a bit more on?
Look at what the tax/expenses implications are if you are abroad - do you just get your salary or is there a 'disturbance' allowance etc etc.
Have a look on job agency websites see if there is anything similar to what you are being considered for - you sound as if you have a fairly unique skill set which is a great bargaining tool.
Have you asked them what range they were thinking of paying?
Good luck
Franky  
#8 Posted : 14 January 2015 07:35:04(UTC)
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Franky

Depending on the subject matter, the delegates and location will need to be taken into consideration. Do you have to stay in a Hotel? Travel to and from the training facility will also account. Do you have to hire your own training facility? That's another consideration, and will you be feeding the delegates such as lunch and light refreshments? Top notch course deliverance at least £1000 a day for up to 15 people. If you second yourself to a training provider then you will be training for much less as the training provider will be charging top rate and you will only get a small percentage of the training fee. Hope that this helps and good luck.
NSC80  
#9 Posted : 14 January 2015 14:56:12(UTC)
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NSC80

Thank you all once again for your contribution!

All travelling expenses and accommodation are provided by the training company. They also provide a laptop, cellphone, international mobile internet and insurance. The client companies provides office space and room if needed for the training, since most of them will be onsite. They will also provide escort and transportation within the international locations.
One thing that is troubling me is that as far as I know from some friends working in Brazil and mostly Angola is that unexpected expenses are bound to happen. An expat (obvious pick) is likely to be approached several times a day by let's say "law enforcement" to pay strange fees and fines if you know what I mean. These expenses most be covered by the company with an allowance or if I pay them, I have to get a refund when returning to Scotland.

Regarding the time spent in the company's office in Scotland, I've been informed that it will be to prepare the training (presentations, leaflets, manuals, tests, etc), analyse client's KPIs regarding safety to pick the training strategy and priorities and produce reports. Some clients will also need advice regarding their HSE internal systems.

I think I'm going to ask for a mid experienced O&G salary in Scotland + bilingual skills increase + extensive travelling increase + reallocating to Scotland. Let's see what happens. It comes a time one has to weigh in all factors and be able to walk away from a job offer if one doesn't feel compensated.

Cheers!



David Bannister  
#10 Posted : 14 January 2015 15:53:41(UTC)
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David Bannister

Never, ever undersell yourself with a new employer. A starting salary almost always affects the entire future earnings potential with that employer.

Start off on a low rate and you'll always be underpaid.

On the other side of the coin, it is in the employer's best interests to get the best talent available for the lowest cost.
Ian Bell  
#11 Posted : 14 January 2015 16:17:08(UTC)
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Ian Bell

Rates, for whatever job - are suppressed in the oil & gas sector at the moment.

Its ok getting cheap petrol at your local garage, but its strangling the oil & gas job market.
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