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A Kurdziel  
#1 Posted : 09 January 2015 12:53:33(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Simple question-Is there a standard for kick stools?
By kickstools I mean those things that you might in an office or shop which is essentially a step up to gain access to shelves lets say.
chris42  
#2 Posted : 09 January 2015 13:05:10(UTC)
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chris42

EN14183 is for step stools
Geoff Dale  
#3 Posted : 09 January 2015 14:02:33(UTC)
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Geoff Dale

we now only purchase the "one piece" kick stools.

This decision followed an investigation of an accident where a two piece version split apart while in use due to not being assembled correctly.
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 09 January 2015 15:22:15(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I am asking the question as someone in one of our labs stepped on a kick stool and slipped. She came down and hurt her shoulder. This might have happened when the stool shifted unexpectedly. It is supposed to be a braked one but someone said it was a bit 'plasticky' and insubstantial as opposed to the old heavyweight metal one. The lady in question was not large by any means
jay  
#5 Posted : 09 January 2015 16:55:31(UTC)
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jay

We have not had issues with the "bracking" aspects, but a significant injury to the head when one stool split in mid 2008.

During my investigation I found that 3 other large organisations had issued their own alerts. Unfortunately, only one hyperlink works now. There other two were NHS/DoH and University of Dundee

http://www.dhsspsni.gov....-38-plastic_two-part.pdf

http://www.plymouth.gov....ice_alert_for_twinco.pdf

Steve e ashton  
#6 Posted : 09 January 2015 17:02:44(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

OK someone has to say it... It might as well be me!... Work at height regs apply whenever anyone may fall a distance likely to cause injury so any equipment provided must be inspected eveyry time it is installed a new position.... And records kept of the inspections. So I hope all your kickstool users have been adequately trained and you can produce the inspection records for every time they have been moved. Please don't shoot the messenger! Although it is Friday...☺
jay  
#7 Posted : 09 January 2015 17:05:26(UTC)
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jay

BS EN 14183 requires for clause 5.3: Slip resistance , sub-clause 5.3.2 Rollers and wheels:-

Where rollers or wheels are fitted, step stools and rigid steps shall be designed so as to prevent any
accidental displacement when loaded. Rollers shall either be automatically locked or automatically disabled once the step stool or rigid steps are loaded.

Are they the ones from Twinco?
mylesfrancis  
#8 Posted : 12 January 2015 15:18:22(UTC)
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mylesfrancis

steve e ashton wrote:
OK someone has to say it... It might as well be me!... Work at height regs apply whenever anyone may fall a distance likely to cause injury so any equipment provided must be inspected eveyry time it is installed a new position.... And records kept of the inspections. So I hope all your kickstool users have been adequately trained and you can produce the inspection records for every time they have been moved. Please don't shoot the messenger! Although it is Friday...☺

Not going to shoot the messanger, but I'm going to ask for some evidence to back up your claim.

After all, INDG401 states:

Quote:
Any working platform used for construction work and from which a person could fall
more than 2 metres must be inspected:

■■ after assembly in any position;
■■ after any event liable to have affected its stability;
■■ at intervals not exceeding seven days.

[p]Where it is a mobile platform, a new inspection and report is not required every
time it is moved to a new location on the same site.


So if that's the case for a platform in a construction environment where somebody could fall more than two metres, I don't see how it could possibly be the case that you need to document an inspection every time you move a kickstool a few feet.
Steve e ashton  
#9 Posted : 12 January 2015 22:39:40(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Mylesfrancis... read the work at height regs, the requirements are clear and absolute. Pointless quoting a guidance note when the regs are so clear...
Steve
mylesfrancis  
#10 Posted : 13 January 2015 08:52:29(UTC)
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mylesfrancis

steve e ashton wrote:
Mylesfrancis... read the work at height regs, the requirements are clear and absolute. Pointless quoting a guidance note when the regs are so clear...
Steve

Steve,

I've read the Work at Height Regs numerous times, thanks. You have made a claim which I disagree with and have asked you to back it up. As you haven't actually referred to which particular part of the Regulations you think covers the situation of a kickstool, I'm going to have to guess. I'm assuming that you are thinking of Regulation 12? In which case, could you please explain how a kickstool is work equipment to which Regulation 8 and Schedules 2 to 6 apply - because that is what is required for Reg 12 to come into play.

By the way, please don't criticise others for quoting clear, specific guidance when you are quoting nothing more specific than the "regs" as a whole - that really is one small step away from saying you can't do something because of "elf'n'safety".
Steve e ashton  
#11 Posted : 14 January 2015 21:50:32(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Schedule 3 covers requirements for working platforms... Including stability, strength, braked wheels etc. A kickstool is a working platform... Reg 8 applies, reg 12 applies and etc...
All in IMHO of course, but I've been bemoaning this particular poor reg since it was first consulted on..
Steve e ashton  
#12 Posted : 14 January 2015 21:54:53(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

By the way , I often think it is more helpful to help someone find the answer to their question so they can do it themselves in future, than it is to 'spoonfeed' an entire answer which is then just more knowledge rather than competence in finding answers. Sorry if this seems incompletely helpful.
SteveDClarke  
#13 Posted : 15 January 2015 11:16:04(UTC)
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SteveDClarke

Hi,
The definitive guide to kickstool safety :)
http://www.toothycat.net/kickstool.pdf
Stephen
Steve e ashton  
#14 Posted : 15 January 2015 12:00:00(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

LOL! OMG! FOTFL! Someone had too much time on their hands. Thanks for sharing.
A Kurdziel  
#15 Posted : 15 January 2015 12:11:41(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

SteveDClarke wrote:
Hi,
The definitive guide to kickstool safety :)
http://www.toothycat.net/kickstool.pdf
Stephen

Thank you
SHE-Andy  
#16 Posted : 20 January 2015 10:41:45(UTC)
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SHE-Andy

OMG, that 'definitive guide' was surely a joke...don't implement it...
SHE-Andy  
#17 Posted : 20 January 2015 10:43:30(UTC)
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SHE-Andy

Hence the 2nd last paragraph....
"The safety harness is recommended for new kickstool users, or when working alone"
SHE-Andy  
#18 Posted : 20 January 2015 10:47:16(UTC)
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SHE-Andy

Sorry for keeping quoting but that guides hilarious...

"Before moving your kickstool, look around to make sure there are no obstacles in its path, and all people are clear of the area. It is best to give verbal warning of an impending kick, for example by saying, loudly and clearly: "I am kicking my stool, please watch out!". Some modern kickstools come equipped with an automatic movement sensor, which triggers a repeating warning that sounds when the stool is kicked. This will usually take the form of: "This kickstool is traversing! This kickstool is traversing!"
A Kurdziel  
#19 Posted : 20 January 2015 11:01:19(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

A Kurdziel wrote:
SteveDClarke wrote:
Hi,
The definitive guide to kickstool safety :)
http://www.toothycat.net/kickstool.pdf
Stephen

Thank you

I possibly didn't convey the sarcasm in my response!
The guidance (for those who haven’t read it, starts off in the realm of the pedantic but possible before moving off into crazed ‘elf n’ safety’! eg harness and kickstool training.)
The original issue is still there though. A young lady used a kickstool to acess some shelving and came off. She injured her shoulder and was not at work for 6 days (saving us the RIDDOR). We bought a replacement kickstool which she hoped was more stable but it came in two halves which you had to fix together. There is still a bit of a wobble where the two halves join. We are now looking at some steps.

SHE-Andy  
#20 Posted : 20 January 2015 11:16:50(UTC)
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SHE-Andy

Sarcasm conveyed :-)

You could also look at the frequency of use? If whatever is being accessed is required very often, could it be lowered to a more accessible height?
Ideally these kicksteps should be used infrequently...
A Kurdziel  
#21 Posted : 20 January 2015 11:26:13(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

SHE-Andy wrote:
Sarcasm conveyed :-)

You could also look at the frequency of use? If whatever is being accessed is required very often, could it be lowered to a more accessible height?
Ideally these kicksteps should be used infrequently...

Yes it’s the shelving itself that is being accessed more often. Essentially it the team involved only cleaned their cupboards once in a blue moon but recently they have been told that they should clean them once a month; so more frequent use of the kick stool leading to a higher risk of a fall. I know about specialist acess kit and the like but this is a lab setting and basically it won’t fit.
The team are now looking at a small set of steps to do this work.
SHE-Andy  
#22 Posted : 20 January 2015 11:30:01(UTC)
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SHE-Andy

Any scope to reposition the shelves within the cupboard?

i.e. the very bottom or lower shelves tend to be completely under utilised in favour of the more ergonomically accessible shelves stomach to shoulder height...people forget the shelves can be fairly easily repositioned.
A Kurdziel  
#23 Posted : 20 January 2015 13:12:41(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

No sorry- they are above lab benching and they are not going to reorganise the whole lab for this.
thanks for the suggestion though
jay  
#24 Posted : 20 January 2015 16:33:53(UTC)
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jay

We use kickstools for access to higher & inner reaches of fumecupboards .This is because the angle of stepladders precludes the use of stepladders as the horizontal reach is reduced.
Irene C  
#25 Posted : 03 February 2015 09:09:34(UTC)
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Irene C

I was browsing the forum and came across the postings for kick stools and the age-old question on the definition of working platforms under the auspices of the Work at Height Regs.
When I was employed as a health and safety inspector, I never once asked for evidence of an inspection each time the kick stool was moved. A quick check of the HSE enforcement and prosecution database shows that INs and PNs appear to have never been served on companies that use them. Call me cynical, but I think it is somewhat unlikely that every employer is carrying out such checks on kick stools every time they are relocated.
Whilst it doesn't relate directly to the inspection of a kick stool as per a working platform, readers may wish to take a look at a kick stool query which was raised on HSE's communities forum. Within its response, the Executive acknowledges that the step may be moved whilst in use, but does not refer to checks being carried out every time this happens:

I wish to use a mobile step stool (also known as kick step). Do I need to have attended a ladder safety course? Height from ground I access is 0.4m and I use it on a flat floor.

ANSWER:
A step stool is not a ladder and does not have stability issues such as a free standing ladder. You therefore do not need to attend a ladder safety course in order to use one.
However, it would be sensible to examine your step stool or read any manufacturer's instructions that came with it to become familiar with its operation. The step stool is designed not to move when you apply weight to it.
As with any work equipment, you should be familiar with it before you use it, and if you are not sure, then you should seek advice from your supervisor.
An employer has a duty to ensure that his workforce is competent in working at height and in using work equipment for use in such work.
Allied to the equipment is equally the safe use of it, such that you wear shoes that will not slip on the stools surfaces or you avoid clothes that you could catch your heel on when mounting the step.
Be prepared to move the step into a new position rather than risk overreaching for access to an item, and subsequently losing your balance. Don't carry items in both hands when mounting.
If you are using a kick stool it normally has rubber on the base to present a uniform, stable surface for contact with the floor. This reduces the likelihood that the kick stool will slip on the flooring. If the rubber is damaged to the extent where it might compromise this facility then it should be replaced.
The kick stool should not be used if the rubber is damaged as this increases the risk that the equipment could move when in use.
http://webcommunities.hs...ight/view?objectId=13043
A Kurdziel  
#26 Posted : 03 February 2015 09:44:26(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Thanks Irene, I now have something for the toolbox talk I am going to give about safe use of kickstools.
Cheers
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