Just have a surf through the last few weeks of the forum. plenty of differing viewpoints.

Thanks Peter.

Are you sure? I though it was for more then one contractor on site.

Hmm not sure you are reading something more into this than was intended. In order to fulfil the role of PD you need to have the 'skills, knowledge and experience' for that role. So whilst this does not dictate a PM cannot be the PD, he can't just simply be a PM, he would need to be a bonifide designer in order to satisfy the aforementioned CDM criteria.

Ray

Even HSE admit that many projects are going to appoint a PD who is NOT a designer.

From the final Impact Assessment.....

87………….However, our consultation with stakeholders revealed a widespread understanding that some projects would continue to contract out the co-ordination role to an external party, especially at first. The reasons given for this included lack of confidence or lack of interest of some designers in fulfilling the principal designer role.

88 Projects which continue to hire an EXTERNAL party to carry out the coordination role would not experience the savings calculated above. We have therefore reflected the feedback received by making assumptions about, for each year, what proportions of compliant projects would have the co-ordination function discharged by someone already in the team, and then applying those proportions to the savings figures. Based on our discussions with stakeholders, we have assumed that this proportion would be 60% for the first year, 70% for the second, and 80% after that. Part of the increase is expected to happen as designers become more comfortable with the new role, .......60% of projects in year 1, especially new projects, probably not 60% of turnover, particularly on existing projects. We've got at least one client who intends to transfer CDMC appointments to PD appointments on projects with 20 years to run, where we may also be a designer, but we are certainly NOT the lead designer.

We've got other projects where we act as Owner's Engineer and CDMC - NO design responsibility where the probability is that we will continue as PD.

We've had term commissions where the clients have specifically wanted a CDMC who is independent of the design team (including to facilitate a consistent approach to delivery). Such clients are likely to decide that this method of procurement is for them.

The challenge will be ensuring sufficient contractual clout to fulfill some very onerous duties.

Paragraph 88 of the IA concludes

.....but also as HSE works with the industry in the next years to help them transition to the new regime and deliver the co-ordination function as was intended by this proposal.

Is HSE expecting a reversal of the slashing of its staffing? Construction Division business plan has continually envisaged targeting Government and major projects since mid 2000s. I'm still booking to a Planning Supervisor workstage on one Government major project that has received zero contact from the regulator. Doubt this lack of contact will change any time soon.

Just to get this right now, are we saying that for example a double glazing contractor who is the sole contractor doing a job for a domestic client, typical replace windows, and the work will take a day or less, a CPP will be required?

Is there any allowance for a window cleaner who attends many many domestic addresses in a day ?

Is window cleaning a construction process?

Peter

'Even HSE admit that many projects are going to appoint a PD who is NOT a designer.'

Well just makes a farce of the whole process if that is the case. Many people are just going to ignore the new regulations because they are either unworkable or too onerous. To be honest, I could not blame them either.

Good point.

No, but the painter who paints the window frames will be in scope.

I had a chat with a glazing contractor this morning, they can do 7 or 8 small jobs in a day so CPP will be unworkable for them.