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StuS  
#1 Posted : 10 February 2015 12:25:41(UTC)
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StuS

I wonder if anyone can offer any information relating to the design and installation of LEV ductwork? I'm reviewing a design for numerous pharmaceutical LEV systems (hoods and cabinets in labs) in a new hospital under construction. The drawings illustrate the intention to connect general room ventilation extract ductwork to the same ductwork being used for the LEV's. I am trying to find out if this is acceptable but I'm unable to find specific information about this. I've checked the HSE Website and also gone through the HSG258 and the HTM 02-01, as well as the American ANSI Z9 standards and I cannot find any reference to this one way or another.
Ian Bell  
#2 Posted : 10 February 2015 13:12:50(UTC)
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Ian Bell

I work as a safety engineer/design engineer - while I don't particularly get involved with LEV systems/ductwork - it does seem rather unwise to tie in the general room ventilation with the LEV ductwork. It would seem to be obvious that an LEV/fume cupboard system is being installed to control the risk of emissions from the pharma materials entering the general room atmosphere and hence being inhaled by people in the room. An obvious problem/failure mode would seem to be back flow of extracted air from the fume cupboard/cabinets back along the general ventilation ductwork. How would this be prevented? Fitting dampers/NRV valves in the system. Also, general holes in the ductwork - through age/corrosion etc - probably not highly possible, but nevertheless a credible failure mode. This would also possibly allow air leakage into the general work area. Design reconsideration required, I think. A simple HAZOP/HAZID study should flag up these issues.
jay  
#3 Posted : 10 February 2015 15:34:43(UTC)
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jay

For any building HVAC system, including one that connects to fume-hoods and cabinets, there should be a line drawing of the " common ventilation" system that has BOTH the "supply air" and the "extract air" including air velocities, duct dimensions and volumetric flow rates in all ductwork and also position of valves, dampers and the fans, heating/colloing etc. Pls ask for it.
StuS  
#4 Posted : 10 February 2015 17:35:28(UTC)
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StuS

@Ian - Thanks for your response Ian, those are my primary concerns and it's a common sense call really. I have some others issues related to proposed positioning of the cabinets; single door access to some rooms; T-connectors on the ductwork and positioning of the exhaust stacks. All these other concerns are well documented in the guidance notes but nothing I've seen covers my question about the ductwork.
StuS  
#5 Posted : 10 February 2015 17:40:16(UTC)
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StuS

@Jay - Thanks for your response too Jay. To clarify though, this building is still effectively on the drawing board and they've only just started pouring concrete so I'm reviewing from the initial ventilation and architecture drawings as it is. Not ideal especially in congested ventilation plant rooms but there it is. Nonetheless, the velocities, duct sizes and flow rates are all indicated, along with valves and fire dampers, fans etc. My real concern as above though is that the ductwork designs for these rooms illustrate the extract connected onto the LEV duct which I just can't fathom
hilary  
#6 Posted : 11 February 2015 08:49:35(UTC)
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hilary

It's a fine balance to get local exhaust ventilation working with general room extraction as the possiblity of blowback is quite high if not balanced correctly. I know that when this is put in it will work fine, but as soon as you start to add items, another fume cabinet or a dust extractor, then the balance will change and you could get blowback. Then, as Ian says, you start to add dampers and fans and other interim measures to combat the issue and to me, this has never been satisfactory. We had a system that added in a number of different elements into one system and we experienced blowback of the welding fumes. These were all industrial exhaust systems, not general ventilation. Eventually we had to dismantle the system and put independent welding fume exhausts in to avoid this issue. It would be easier to redesign as two systems at the outset as I am sure it will save money in the longer term.
StuS  
#7 Posted : 11 February 2015 09:28:56(UTC)
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StuS

@Hilary - Thankfully all the LEV's I've previously been involved with were standalone and therefore there was never any concern about cross contamination from blowback. I've spent today going through various American NFPA Standards and the only point that seems not to be addressed, is the question of combining ductwork. I suspect I'll have to stick to the observations and recommendations that can be substantiated with references.
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