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chris42  
#1 Posted : 09 February 2015 17:49:35(UTC)
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chris42

Something I have not had to deal with before. The issue I have is, on the HSE web site it states in one of the FAQ's

"However, your employer is legally required to provide somewhere for pregnant and breastfeeding mothers to rest and, where necessary, this should include somewhere to lie down."
So if the person decides it is necessary for her to lie down, but we physically don't have the space or the facility, like I'm sure many places of work don't. What should we do ? We could kick someone out of their office for the person to have a quite place to rest, but not actually lie down ( other than the floor).

It seems to be saying a legal requirement for a rest area, but I'm uncertain if it also means a legal requirement for the person to be able to lie down ? ( the word "should" seems to imply not absolute.)
Any guidance would be appreciated in what we must do.

Chris
Ian A-H  
#2 Posted : 09 February 2015 17:55:38(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Most managers' offices have "reception" chairs. Provided they don't have arms 3 or 4 pushed together should do - it about raising the feet. And the manager can have a wander about for 20 minutes, to see what's going on!
jay  
#3 Posted : 09 February 2015 18:05:29(UTC)
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jay

Lie down need not mean on the floor or on a bed. A reclining/single sofa type furniture may suffice.

Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations 1992 (the Workplace Regulations)
Regulation 25 (4) :-
Suitable facilities shall be provided for any person at work who is a pregnant woman or nursing mother to rest.

ACoP to Regulation 25(4)
Facilities for pregnant women and nursing mothers
Para 234:- Facilities for pregnant women and nursing mothers to rest should be conveniently situated in relation to toilets and, where necessary, include the facility to lie down. Separate guidance is available on working safely with ionising radiation for expectant or breastfeeding mothers
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 10 February 2015 07:50:28(UTC)
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bob youel

As the the vast majority* of workplaces have little space U will have to do what is RP in your individual circumstances as the law knows that not every office etc. has space for a person to fully rest

A suitable assessment that is carried out in plenty of time before a negative situation arises should give answers to the questions asked so as U can manage a situation noting that each pregnancy is different as is the expectant mother concerned as some mums are uncooperative as a person irrespective of pregnancy whilst others are the opposite but that is a HR problem and not a H&S problem as is the situation where an expectant mum may have to be sent home for her and the baby's own good and sometimes allowing a person to rest in "a.n.others" office is not all bad

*I make my comment 'majority' based on the fact that most businesses in the UK are very small businesses with very small/few facilities as noted by the gov and business institutions
boblewis  
#5 Posted : 10 February 2015 10:15:25(UTC)
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boblewis

It rings a bell somewhere that the Building Regs have or are to be amended to cover this sort of issue. Certainly with disabled facilities the guidance includes requirements on being able to lay down in order undertake actions with aid of carer. Now that leads to whole new questions if a disabled person at work has a carer paid for by her/himself.:-)
hilary  
#6 Posted : 10 February 2015 12:19:58(UTC)
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hilary

As Ian A-H says, the main purpose for the lying down is to elevate the feet which can help with oedema. Yes, some chairs pushed together (without arms) or a sofa would be OK to lie down on but please remember to get some blinds for the office windows as I am sure your pregnant lady with her legs up, etc doesn't want to feel that she is in a goldfish bowl.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 10 February 2015 12:26:24(UTC)
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bob youel

Bob L has made a great point here [as usual] so H&S people need to take note of the new SS and Equality related legislation that has recently come in and is coming in and where it places H&S
chris42  
#8 Posted : 10 February 2015 12:58:45(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks all for the reply's

I have just gone through an assessment and will revisit it in a couple of months. So far we have agreed with her that if she feels the need to raise her legs etc to use another fixed chair. We have a room which will be private and blinds can be drawn.

Not exactly able to lie down, but legs raised a possibility. All chairs have arms and or the wheeled office type chairs, so no chance of pushing together. No room for a sofa anywhere that would be considered private.

We will monitor and if as things progress it looks like it will be an issue, we may have to look at what we can do or give her time off. She seems ok with what was said and she can call me anytime.

I can imagine smaller companies having more problems than us, especially when costs are cut and so many threads on here about jamming as many people into a space as you can.

Feel free to continue this thread with the other issue noted above.

Again thanks for your views

Chris
kevkel  
#9 Posted : 10 February 2015 14:22:26(UTC)
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kevkel

First aid rooms where provided are used for this purpose.
chris42  
#10 Posted : 10 February 2015 17:42:23(UTC)
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chris42

Yes I had such a facility where I last worked (with provision for person to lie down), sadly not where I currently work.

Chris
johnmurray  
#11 Posted : 11 February 2015 07:09:50(UTC)
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johnmurray

If it's hard to provide a place for the employee to rest during pregnancy, I hope she does not come back to work with the infant. Then you have to provide a place for breast-feeding!
hilary  
#12 Posted : 11 February 2015 08:04:25(UTC)
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hilary

What about a simple fold out bed chair? They are definitely cheap enough to throw away at the end of the pregnancy but it does fulfil the requirements of somewhere to lie down. I understand that space is at a premium but I am sure that a bed chair could be accommodated somewhere.

http://www.argos.co.uk/s...t/partNumber/0670227.htm

She's probably a lovely woman who doesn't want to put you to any trouble, but I am sure that if she ended up with oedema and other issues, she would appreciate that you went the extra half yard for her.
chris42  
#13 Posted : 12 February 2015 14:40:40(UTC)
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chris42

Interesting idea Hilary. The problem is most of the offices are open plan. The only ones that are not, belong to two directors and are small, so once a desk and chair and filing cabinet is in there, there is not much room left. The one office has two visitor chairs (with arms), but even if we replaced this with the fold out bed, there is not enough room to fold out ! The cost is not a problem, it is space.

A good idea all the same, and yes we will do all we can.

John, we may still need to provide a private room to express milk, though currently she is saying she will not need this. I will check again later to see if she has changed her mind.
Lawlee45239  
#14 Posted : 13 February 2015 10:54:17(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Chris42 wrote:
Interesting idea Hilary. The problem is most of the offices are open plan. The only ones that are not, belong to two directors and are small, so once a desk and chair and filing cabinet is in there, there is not much room left. The one office has two visitor chairs (with arms), but even if we replaced this with the fold out bed, there is not enough room to fold out ! The cost is not a problem, it is space.

A good idea all the same, and yes we will do all we can.

John, we may still need to provide a private room to express milk, though currently she is saying she will not need this. I will check again later to see if she has changed her mind.



I've been pregnant twice in the workplace, once on a construction site, and the other in a construction office. Both times, I had a chat with the managers, and I confirmed if I needed to lie down at any point then I would go home, laying down to rest for half an hour doesn't really do anything for swelling legs!! (I know!). Unless you go down the route of a reclining (nursing) chair, that can be gifted to her once she goes on maternity

The first time I was on a site that was over 1.5 hours from home by tube, I chose to remain on that site and carry out my normal duties.

I took a year out both times after the birth so I didn't have to worry about special arrangements after, also remember if she doesn't choose to express it may be advisable to get her a separate fridge also!. I also returned to work on a part time basis. Both companies were more (the latter still is), more than helpful, and understanding with the childcare arrangements since.



hilary  
#15 Posted : 13 February 2015 11:48:50(UTC)
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hilary

I wonder is there is a possibility of a screened off area then? Screens are not excessively expensive and can be erected anywhere. If you got a couple of chairs you could double it up as a confidential area for one to one chats if necessary. She's not likely to get undressed so this might afford her the privacy and a chance to put her feet up without inconveniencing anyone else.

I'm sorry, I don't know how big your open plan office is so I am just thinking there might be room for this.

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