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Lojikglos  
#1 Posted : 19 February 2015 12:11:32(UTC)
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Lojikglos
Hello and happy Thursday

I don't suppose anyone has a stepladder permit I could crib off them please

I bow to you
L
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Colossians 1:14  
#2 Posted : 19 February 2015 12:58:39(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14
Lojikglos wrote:
Hello and happy Thursday

I don't suppose anyone has a stepladder permit I could crib off them please

I bow to you
L


Do you need a permit to work every time a step ladder is used?

I would go with giving your employees a short training session on user checks, backed up by HSE guidance on step ladder use; and then do weekly/monthly checks that are documented.
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bob youel  
#3 Posted : 19 February 2015 13:51:02(UTC)
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bob youel
PTW's have been regularly discussed on this site so please look up the advice etc. and they can be used everywhere irrespective, however their unnecessary use can be a backward step
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Ian Bell  
#4 Posted : 19 February 2015 13:55:37(UTC)
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Ian Bell
What next a permit to work for turning on a computer...... I mean there is electrical power inside a computer.....
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ashleywillson  
#5 Posted : 19 February 2015 14:37:56(UTC)
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ashleywillson
Colossians 1:14 wrote:


Do you need a permit to work every time a step ladder is used?

I would go with giving your employees a short training session on user checks, backed up by HSE guidance on step ladder use; and then do weekly/monthly checks that are documented.


I second this. This is what we do!
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Flashman  
#6 Posted : 19 February 2015 14:38:35(UTC)
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Flashman
if you have enough computers you can gain quite a bit of height and then you'd need a ...
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safetymanste  
#7 Posted : 19 February 2015 14:43:47(UTC)
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safetymanste
We use a dynamic risk assessment not a permit, for use of stepladders not computers -:)
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Lojikglos  
#8 Posted : 19 February 2015 16:01:53(UTC)
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Lojikglos
So that's a no then lol

The reasons where genuine for asking but I take points raised . . .
not sure how we get from a simple question to computer permits to work

Anyway im skydiving tomorrow so have a good weekend guys

L
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alistair  
#9 Posted : 20 February 2015 10:35:48(UTC)
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alistair
I never thought I would live to see the day when a gentleman who goes skydiving at weekends asks for a permit to work for using a stepladder.

"Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated" Confucius.

Seriously though Lojikglos my response is as much tongue in cheek as your original 'simple question' which I think you should have kept until Friday as it is an absolute cracker.
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walker  
#10 Posted : 20 February 2015 12:16:50(UTC)
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walker
Clearly Lojikglos was illustrating he/she is not some risk averse jobsworthy.

We all agree a PTW is not required ........... but if the client demands one then you just shrug and get on with it, no amount of logical argument is going to change that.

Do I remember recently someone posting a link to a funny spoof one here, not many months ago ???
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cobblers  
#11 Posted : 20 February 2015 12:33:13(UTC)
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cobblers
Judging by some of the responses to the question some have never worked on a major contractor site. Working from steps is generally managed by a PTW system when they need to be used.
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Lojikglos  
#12 Posted : 20 February 2015 15:26:15(UTC)
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Lojikglos
work and private life are two different things entirley

ptw systems have there merits...clients and site rules are reasons for original requests
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JavierGaspar  
#13 Posted : 22 February 2015 09:59:07(UTC)
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JavierGaspar
Lojikglos wrote:
work and private life are two different things entirley

ptw systems have there merits...clients and site rules are reasons for original requests


Hi Lojikglos,

Provided that the stepladder is the only way forward to get the job done I would suggest briefing your client/employer - surely you've already done it - on the basic aspects of ladder safety: pre-use checks, maintenance and regular inspections (weekly, monthly, quarterly...depending on how and where ladders are being used). PTW for using a ladder is disproportionate and completely unproductive - I can't see where they could be of any use - A tag/labelling/colour coding would be a useful tool to show staff whether the ladder it's fit for purpose. Finally, observe managers and staff behaviour and coach/re-train them as required.

I've recently had to review the WAH, PUWER, LOLER and MHSAW regs. and their ACoP and could not see anything that suggested a PTW system in regards to ladders

Obviously, if the client/employer persists and your job is at stake then, you have two options, giving in to their requests or say good bye.

regards,

Javi.
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frankc  
#14 Posted : 22 February 2015 18:32:33(UTC)
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frankc
I know your original question was about Steps/PTW but have you considered these as an option?

http://www.youngmangroup.com/products/podiums
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