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Good day to you all.
Are stick on intumescent strips for fire doors any good? - apparently they conform to regulations and are a cheaper way than routing the door edge etc. They cost about £25 a kit (therefore per door).
Is this method OK and acceptable for 30minute fire doors?
Thanks
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I would not recommend this however there are suppliers who state they are acceptable and comply with certain requirements.
There are some that fix to the frame, not the door, and they can extend over the hinges.
I would be careful on double door sets as they could wear or become damaged through wear and tear.
Personally I would want a complete fire door set, including frame, hinges, handles etc. and installed by an approved fire door installer.
Remember an add on intumescent strip will not make a door a fire door.
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I would agree with FireSafety 101 that caution needs to had when considering fitting this type of strip. There are a lot of advantages in terms of time/cost and so they should not be discounted lightly, but there are a lot of disadvantages as well.
If considering installing a large number of them, or installing them in a higher (as opposed to a very low) risk area, I would recommending obtaining a copy of the fire test report and certificate, to confirm they are suitable for your purpose.
Regards.
DJ
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Good idea djupnorth, you can also look for proof of the door being a firedoor by looking for the plate on the top edge. (a mirror comes in handy for this purpose).
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I have never heard of them, and to be honest I am skeptical of the idea. I would never say never, but when you consider the physical abuse & stick that routed intumescent strips take daily and the damage they can sustain, I just can't imagine that a stick on strip would be resilient enough for even the most gentle environment I have just found this site with a video showing installation of the strips (onto a door with what suspiciously looks like non fire rated glass!!). http://www.safelincs.co....3Q3pHoHht9Gb8aAvdw8P8HAQAs FS101 said, strips do not make a door a fire door - they make it a door with strips This website claims the strips have been tested to BS476-22 1987. Now that's one certificate I would like to see, as how its possible to give any guarantee that the strips will work without specifying the standard of the door which its fitted on is beyond me.
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I have come across these quite often, I have found that Housing Associations tend to fit these as a cheap option in HMO's to get the licence. I'm not sure of their conformity however, they do-not last long the sticky stuff aint that sticky and once they start to peel they don't last very long at all.
So, they may be ok on fire doors that do not get opened that often i.e. store cupboard etc... but not on a fire door that gets a lot of use.
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Now I HAVE to admit that this is not my "bag" as it were, however from a purely engineering standpoint, how can a sticky strip around the outside of a door between it and the frame make it a fire door, that does simply not make engineering sense. IF, the door & frame cannot offer the level of fire resilience required, then how can a stick on "draught excluder" (which is all it is if the door & frame are not suitable surely) make the doorset a fire door?
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Hi Mrs Sheila,
Since you're working for a healthcare charity I would not use these if I were you. The applicable guidance would be HTM-05, or at least as much as could be applied to anything not purpose built by the NHS. I can't imagine stick-on strips would meet the standard. I also, from experience, know how doors get used in healthcare; nothing stick-on would stand up to the strain. If you have listed doors (as we did in my last place) you could consider intumescent paint; this will bump up fire retardency to around 30 minutes, and has to applied by specialists, but it did satisfy fire services,
John
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I think this has got lost in translation. From my understanding of the original post the facility is fitted with fire doors to 30 minute resistance as per normal. This could be a fire door set (which I hope it is) or a retro fit fire door and frame. The purpose of the intumescent strips is to prevent fire from enveloping the door via gaps in the jambs and spreading to other parts of the building. There is no difference to the stick on strips to the strips that are routed into the door, which also stick on. The difference is that they are installed on the face of the door or the face of the frame meeting the door rather than the outer jambs. What can happen when the are fitted on the face of the door/frame is that they can cause the door to warp and not fit the frame correctly, making it difficult for the locking mechanism handle unit to engage with the reciever in the frame and thus resulting in a gap rendering the use of the strips in this fashion useless. This is an old method usually used to retrofits and most newly installed fire doors will have them routed in. This stick on door face method only works (questionable) with intumescent strips and not with cold smoke seals. Kevin
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Hi Kev,
Granted, the OP does say the doors are 30 minutes and just need strips. I still wouldn't use surface mounted adhesive strips though. 'Normal' strips do use glue, but they are routed in and so are flush with the door, and they have more adhesive in contact with the door. I fear that anything stuck on to the edges of the door won't last for long, especially in busy healthcare premises where doors are treated very much as obstacles,
John
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Jwk, No they dont last and cause greater issues than just falling out. Mind you the routed in ones tend to loose their adhesion too and often fall out. As I have pointed out there is a bigger issue of causing the door to go out of shape.
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Jwk and others,
They do have their uses. I used to use them in e.g. grade 1 listed buildings where you were not allowed to tamper with the door in any way let alone cut a groove in them to fix intumescent strips. The strips should not be fixed with glue alone, they should also be fixed with steel pins.
However, as I said in my previous post, they have their uses and limitations.
Regards.
DJ
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Your right I think they do have their uses.
We provided social care support to a person who was a serious risk of fire to themselves - 50 year old male with enduring mental health, heavy drinker, heavy smoker, cigarette burns on his bedroom carpet, lived by himself, and had a history of fires through discarded cigarettes and cooking.
We got the local community Fire Officer involved and we did some great work with the person, the fire officer supplied smoke detectors and fire proof bedding, and he recommended these stick on strips on the doors which we paid for and got fitted. Ok not suitable for commercial premised but every bit helps, and I can sleep at night knowing we have improved fire safety for the individual.
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Mrs Sheila,
If it is a fire door 30, 60 or 120 minute, the manufacture would be providing a guarantee of the door performance based on a fire assessment report. The construction of the doorset and any intumescent fire seals will be detailed in the report, and will need to be maintained to ensure the fire performance rating of the door and frame. So in the first instance, the door manufacture should contacted. To simply stick on intumescent fire seals may not provide the fire or smoke rating integrity to which the door or frame was designed to perform, and not all intumescent materials perform in the same way. Some Fire door seals activate at temperatures that are above human survival levels.
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Hi DJ,
We adopted one of two approaches to listed doors. We either removed them and put them in secure storage (the cellar!) or where English Heritage were being particularly picky we did use intumescent paint as detailed above. This sticks better than glue-on strips ;-)
John
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As a manufacturer and installer of fire rated (and certificated ) doorsets, we use self-adhesive intumescent strips. We have very few problems with these - sometimes; when installing in cold weather, there are one or two isolated cases where they have to be refitted. These are usually picked up in post-installation checks. Some of the strips within the rebate are fitted on-site as the frame fixings are situated behind.
We have both 30 and 60 minute doors that uses these.
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