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holborn  
#1 Posted : 26 February 2015 21:15:31(UTC)
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holborn

Hi

I am trying to find a concise list of prosecutions of Senior Managers or more importantly Directors who have been subject to breaches of H and S. I am looking to implement a serious cultural change in the company and the MD is 'struggling' to see his responsibility as and when I highlight legal obligations.

It is a manufacturing organisation with high profile partners and customers.

I have recently moved from oil and gas (for obvious reasons) where H and S was given a high priority so I am finding it strange to receive opposition to what I would see as obvious, basic H and S requirements. In effect I want him to have tangible evidence of what could happen to him on a personal level if he doesn't listen to me.

I have given presentations looking at the 'Iceberg Effect' and S2 of HASWA 74 with a response of 'we have had no incidents for a long time so we are doing well and we do not need resources allocated to H and S'( this is despite good indications of imminent incident/accidents).....its now becoming frustrating to say the least so I an now moving to pure scare tactics (if that's the professional term to use)

Any pointers would be appreciated.
Ian Bell  
#2 Posted : 26 February 2015 21:31:29(UTC)
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Ian Bell

Tell him that he is incompetent and shouldn't be an MD if he doesn't understand even his most basic responsibilities.
SNS  
#3 Posted : 26 February 2015 21:31:48(UTC)
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SNS

Hi,

Have a look at the database of prosecutions for breaches, use the 'advanced tab' Management breaches in this search http://www.hse.gov.uk/pr...2C+%7C&x=30&y=10 that I did in about 10 minutes - lots and expensive.

Hope it helps!
toe  
#4 Posted : 26 February 2015 23:47:34(UTC)
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toe

Maybe a presentation on Section 37 of HSAWA and Corporate Manslaughter may help.
Palmer20061  
#5 Posted : 27 February 2015 08:46:32(UTC)
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Palmer20061

Unfortunately not a 'concise list', but if you go onto SHP Online and type 'section 37 prosecutions' into the search box you will get a raft of information up.

It takes a bit of filtering, but there's some useful information in there.
Gav81  
#6 Posted : 27 February 2015 09:24:13(UTC)
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Gav81

Hi Holborn

The only problem with the HSE database is there is no tab for job role of defendant etc. Without already having a company name or name of an individual. It sounds long winded but the best way is to sift through the HSE press releases as it gives a paragraph on who was prosecuted e.g. company director etc
Gav81  
#7 Posted : 27 February 2015 09:26:16(UTC)
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Gav81

Apologies, i forgot the link.

http://press.hse.gov.uk/release-type/press/
bob youel  
#8 Posted : 27 February 2015 09:32:41(UTC)
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bob youel

H
Sincerely and with all due respect welcome to the real world** as many businesses have little real regard for H&S and I have found that usually those making the most profit have the least regard
**[Noting that it took thousands of deaths and prosecutions over many years to get the offshore & similar game to where it is now & things are especially hard today as the HSE is not what it was]

U will have to make the MD & other high ranker's your friends & set up a long term plan and make small step changes noting that U seem to have a director that is already more pro H&S than many I have met so that is a positive indicator and evaluate and take in as much info as U can from the HSE, human-factor and similar organisations with regards to culture change and move on from there remembering that things will take some time

best of luck
Gav81  
#9 Posted : 27 February 2015 09:39:01(UTC)
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Gav81

Here is some interesting info, a solicitor requested stats on Director prosecutions under the freedom of information act.

Although this is just stats rather than individual cases, you mind find the table useful. Click where it says download table 2.

https://www.whatdotheykn...ics_about_prosecution_of
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 27 February 2015 12:48:53(UTC)
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peter gotch

Holborn

Appears to be an issue on HSE database as the only listed Director prosecutions (6) have hearing dates in 2014, i.e. non in the previous 4 years. Whilst S37 prosecutions rare, I don't think they are THAT rare!

So www.hse.gov.uk/prosecutions

Then Advanced Search

Then scroll down to Breaches

Then Act - HSWA

Then ADD Act Section - 37

Go
djupnorth  
#11 Posted : 27 February 2015 13:45:01(UTC)
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djupnorth

Holborn,

Why not mention R v Mobile Sweepers (Reading) Ltd. in which the company was fined the value of its entire assets as was its managing director (£191,000). The director was given 12 months to realise his assets including selling his home and car.

If that does not scare him nothing will.

Regards.

DJ
kenty  
#12 Posted : 27 February 2015 14:02:51(UTC)
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kenty

The below link has summaries for a number of corporate manslaughter cases which you may find useful.

http://www.cqms-ltd.co.u...e_manslaughter_case.html
Daffodil  
#13 Posted : 27 February 2015 15:06:38(UTC)
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Daffodil


I agree with Bob Youel on this one, you have a job ahead of you but taking small steps and making it real by using previous case studies is an effective method of communicating the vital message here. I'm working in Ireland and its not uncommon for me to come across Directors that have absolutely no idea of their responsibilities in relation to health and safety for their employees, other persons etc. Can be a serious uphill struggle at best of times! You can only do your best. Good luck.
Maroc  
#14 Posted : 27 February 2015 15:51:47(UTC)
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Maroc

There is always this guidance from the Institute of Directors, he should look at them as being on his side.

www.iod.com/MainWebSite/...s/Document/hse_guide.pdf
westonphil  
#15 Posted : 27 February 2015 19:23:01(UTC)
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westonphil

holborn wrote:

I have given presentations looking at the 'Iceberg Effect' and S2 of HASWA 74 with a response of 'we have had no incidents for a long time so we are doing well and we do not need resources allocated to H and S'( this is despite good indications of imminent incident/accidents).....its now becoming frustrating to say the least so I an now moving to pure scare tactics (if that's the professional term to use)


You report that they have had no incidents/accidents for a long time and yet there are good indications of imminent incidents/accidents. If the facts are they have had a good safety record, for a long time, then your argument is obviously based upon risk assessment. What risk levels are your risk assessments showing and what are the costs of your suggested precautions, overall?

Regards
RayRapp  
#16 Posted : 28 February 2015 08:36:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

Evidence of unsafe acts and conditions can come in a variety of different ways and generally I would argue is anecdotal evidence as opposed to something which is measurable. I doubt if there is a h&s practitioner who has not witnessed these for himself. The two barriers I usually find is 'ignorance is bliss' and the other side of the coin 'I know what I'm doing'. Crash, bang, wallop!
aud  
#17 Posted : 02 March 2015 13:19:22(UTC)
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aud

Hi. Couple of things:
It is still only smaller companies which take the manslaughter hits - not saying it's right, just saying. So the case studies up to now aren't always that helpful.
Do you have risks assessed as being of serious consequence? Are these given top priority?
Also if you have have or can develop a method of capturing and then rating (as serious) incidents, close calls etc. however trivial, this will both justify your concern and create a basis for your presentations. Otherwise you are all just sitting waiting for the biggy.
So you are trying to get across how realistic is it really that something major WILL happen, and then if it does, will snr management be vulnerable? Beyond the company. In theory the answer is yes of course, but in reality, unless failings are 'gross', the enforcers will tend to take the easiest option.

Finding some cases in your particular industry could help (rather than something completely alien), but it is an unlikley event for MDs to be taken to the wire.

You could try going down the 'I want to prepare a crisis plan' route; where you can cover "what we will do if ever . . . ".
That gives you the opportunity to explain, almost as a story, what actually would happen - the police turn up, area is a crime scene, witnesses are 'to a crime' potentially, work / production comes to a halt, everyone, including senior managers, will be doing nothing else but managing this crisis, then HSE turn up, hand over any and all unpriveledged documents & other evidence - you get the picture.
Ask how legal support will be provided - to individuals, (including MD) not just the company. By whom. Cover the length of time to coroner inquest, prosecutions, and finally civil claims. Traumatic incident / employee support provision. Etc.

Don't make it too personal, or suggest any of this WILL happen, treat it almost as a business continuity matter, but this may drip-feed information which may ultimately motivate. If it doesn't, at least you will have a plan anyway.

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