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clifden  
#1 Posted : 09 March 2015 13:01:46(UTC)
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clifden

Under the The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 is there a legal requirment for employers to train staffsuch as line managers supervisors in order for them to be competent in carring out task/job related assessments .
for example .
to carry out an assessment on someones competency to mop a floor ,use a tumble drier etc .
regards
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 09 March 2015 13:44:39(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Regulation 13 of the Management Regs applies to all employees (as does S.2 of the HASAWA). For a supervisor to effectively supervise, he/she must have sufficient appreciation of the competency and correct behaviour requirements of those he supervises?


"Carrying out an assessment" has a different connotation though? Assessment of individuals is often conducted by trainers at initial and refresh events (e.g. BICS for cleaners)
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 09 March 2015 13:47:20(UTC)
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RayRapp

I presume you mean regarding regulation 13 - Capabilities and training, there is also a similar requirement pursuant to HSWA Regulation 2.(2)(c) - the provision of such information, instruction, training and supervision as is necessary to ensure, so far as...

So, in theory the answer is - yes. How far that requirement should go in ensuring people's competency is the real question. For example, simple life skills like walking stairs, making a cuppa and I include 'mopping the floor', should not be included in my opinion.
stonecold  
#4 Posted : 09 March 2015 13:54:55(UTC)
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stonecold

quote=RayRapp]I presume you mean regarding regulation 13 - Capabilities and training, there is also a similar requirement pursuant to HSWA Regulation 2.(2)(c) - the provision of such information, instruction, training and supervision as is necessary to ensure, so far as...

So, in theory the answer is - yes. How far that requirement should go in ensuring people's competency is the real question. For example, simple life skills like walking stairs, making a cuppa and I include 'mopping the floor', should not be included in my opinion.


Agree with the above, should definitely only consider and concentrate on significant risk.
clifden  
#5 Posted : 09 March 2015 14:43:08(UTC)
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clifden

Thanks for your input .
to develop this a bit would the consenus be that the need to have a person trained to have the skills required to carry out ongoing assessments ( such as training knife skills ,correct manual handling ) be a requirement under the HSWA and the The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 .
Would it be correct to say that training supervisors /line managers in the required skills to be able to assess an employees competency at the task be a part of the safety management system .
any input much appreciated
regards
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 09 March 2015 16:06:50(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Not necessarily, you could buy that assessment/audit function in.
Supervisors need to know enough to challenge incorrect practice though?
clifden  
#7 Posted : 09 March 2015 18:18:16(UTC)
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clifden

"Not necessarily, you could buy that assessment/audit function in."
If the company deemed that the assessment /audit was to be a part of the line manager / supervisor role is there then a requiremnt under the HSWA 74 and The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 . to train that line manager /supervisor to be competent in carring out the companies requirment to carry out assessments /audits .?
thnaks for any input
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 10 March 2015 12:32:02(UTC)
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RayRapp

I think it would be fair to say that if the person's role involved assessing others then the company would be obliged to provide some sort of guidance/training in order for that person to carry out the role competently. Like most things it's contextual, how far removed is the task from the person's normal duties, what degree of complexity is involved, what level of risk, etc.

Need to be careful when quoting from directly from the law that you fully appreciate the subtleties implied within it, otherwise there is a danger in over implementing the provision i.e. sensible safety - rare that it is these days.
Steve e ashton  
#9 Posted : 11 March 2015 01:20:07(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Can't help feeling there may be a hidden agenda here! Is someone trying to set up a certification scheme for supervisors to assess competence? In my opinion ... It doesn't need someone to be certified to spot a numpty! Indeed, if someone cannot identify the numpties then they shouldn't be supervisors. I don't believe it takes a course and certificate to prove I can spot numpties!
bob youel  
#10 Posted : 11 March 2015 09:05:53(UTC)
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bob youel

good answers all round especially the comment from 'steve e a' re the hidden agenda

Irrespective of any laws etc. surly it must be sensible to have properly trained managers and supervisors in place in order for a business to progress?
Pete Lithgo  
#11 Posted : 11 March 2015 23:50:01(UTC)
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Pete Lithgo

Employer has the responsibility to ensure the people their employ have the competency to carry out the task their are employed for ( past Experience and valid qualification for your trade etc ).
The more trained the better, but you will not find anything in balck and white, to say what is deemed competent and what is required, the only thing will be trade specific when you have things like Corgi for plumber.
What ever the job the employer should train or provide instructions so that all employees fully understand the hazards and the precautions of the task.
If you are doing Manual handling and you have duty of care to teach them about manual handling, what could go wrong and how we prevent it going wrong etc.

In the construction trade I often see employer's make up a employee to a supervisors without any extra training, which I believe this is wrong and we should be given them training to assist them to become a good leader, the better trained he or she is, the more likely their will motivate the employees to work to a higher standard and to achieve targets in safe manner etc, this most be the same for managers as well.
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