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fiesta  
#1 Posted : 24 March 2015 08:51:30(UTC)
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fiesta

Morning all. I recently had an interview and was asked a number of questions regarding whether certain given incidents would or would not be reportable under RIDDOR. They were to be answered pretty much on the spot without the ability to discuss ( I was given a copy of the Regs for reference) So, as far as I can recall, this was one of the questions...... A member of the public gains access to your work site and trips up and a trailing cable. The person is taken to a local medical walk-in centre with a suspected ankle injury and is assessed. They diagnose a serious sprain and put a cast on as a precaution. Reportable or not ??? I have subsequently been for a second interview where my answers were discussed - I got this one wrong. Just looking for a "yes / no" answer. Wondered what others might think. Andy
Colossians 1:14  
#2 Posted : 24 March 2015 09:04:40(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

fiesta wrote:
Morning all. I recently had an interview and was asked a number of questions regarding whether certain given incidents would or would not be reportable under RIDDOR. They were to be answered pretty much on the spot without the ability to discuss ( I was given a copy of the Regs for reference) So, as far as I can recall, this was one of the questions...... A member of the public gains access to your work site and trips up and a trailing cable. The person is taken to a local medical walk-in centre with a suspected ankle injury and is assessed. They diagnose a serious sprain and put a cast on as a precaution. Reportable or not ??? I have subsequently been for a second interview where my answers were discussed - I got this one wrong. Just looking for a "yes / no" answer. Wondered what others might think. Andy
No
sidestep45  
#3 Posted : 24 March 2015 09:39:03(UTC)
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sidestep45

I'd go yes as there was a serious sprain and while the cast was a"precaution" I think it would still cou nt as tratment From the HSE site Non fatal accidents to non-workers (eg members of the public) Accidents to members of the public or others who are not at work must be reported if they result in an injury and the person is taken directly from the scene of the accident to hospital for treatment to that injury. Examinations and diagnostic tests do not constitute ‘treatment’ in such circumstances. There is no need to report incidents where people are taken to hospital purely as a precaution when no injury is apparent.
Gav81  
#4 Posted : 24 March 2015 09:47:38(UTC)
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Gav81

It's a tricky one. I wonder if they are saying that a walk in centre is not a hospital?
Colossians 1:14  
#5 Posted : 24 March 2015 09:48:38(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Gav81 wrote:
It's a tricky one. I wonder if they are saying that a walk in centre is not a hospital?
+1
Gav81  
#6 Posted : 24 March 2015 09:56:56(UTC)
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Gav81

I think this is what they were getting at, please see excerpt from HSE website below: What is reportable. Q. A person slipped over in the shop, but said they were unhurt. Much later they told us they had gone to their GP the next day, who then referred them to hospital. Is this reportable? A. No. The injured person must be taken from where the accident happened, by whatever means, to a hospital for treatment. A GP practice or a drop-in clinic is not a hospital, so there is no duty to report. As stated a GP practice or drop in clinic is not a hospital, very naughty of them!!
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 24 March 2015 10:36:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

In my opinion ....... You got it wrong because the drop in is not a hospital and while we can all be very clever after the event maybe your big mistake was not reading the copy of the Regs you were given for reference? It wasn't just an interview it was a test.
Colossians 1:14  
#8 Posted : 24 March 2015 10:42:27(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

FireSafety101 wrote:
In my opinion ....... You got it wrong because the drop in is not a hospital and while we can all be very clever after the event maybe your big mistake was not reading the copy of the Regs you were given for reference? It wasn't just an interview it was a test.
What answer was given at the interview, we haven't been told? He may have said 'no' too?
DP  
#9 Posted : 24 March 2015 10:57:40(UTC)
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DP

No. Interesting question - is the role in large organisation e.g. many employees and in contact with MOTP. Are they expecting you to use the rags frequently?
fiesta  
#10 Posted : 24 March 2015 11:27:12(UTC)
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fiesta

Thanks for your Answers. The answer they were after was "NO" because, as has been correctly surmised by some, a drop in medical centre is not a hospital. The company is not large and would hope not to get any RIDDOR Incidents. I did think afterwards what the HSE might consider the correct response to be. Clearly a drop in centre is not a hospital but really that's just semantics. The IP had been taken to a professional medical facility and received treatment for an injury. If a hospital was close by they could have just as easily been taken there so is the defining issue of whether its reportable or not proximity to a hospital rather than anything else ????? They were very open about the issue and we had a discussion about it afterwards. They knew it was a little bit of a sneaky question. When reading RIDDOR related issues on here they are plenty of users who advise... "if in doubt, report it". As a safety professional that would seem right, i.e. thinking only safety but not commercially, but there are plenty of employers out there, my current one included, who wouldn't want to report and accident if they didn't absolutely have to. Thanks again for your responses. Andy
Gav81  
#11 Posted : 24 March 2015 11:35:34(UTC)
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Gav81

Andy It was a very sneaky one, I must admit under the pressure of an interview I wouldn't consider whether a drop in centre was classed as a hospital or not.
DP  
#12 Posted : 24 March 2015 11:41:13(UTC)
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DP

thanks for the feedback fiesta. The reason I asked the question on the organisation was given the frequency on use of the Regs. for example in large retail environment with many construction projects on-going from new builds to refresh. I would have expected the 'no' answer at a blink. in a manufacturing environment would the safety bloke / lady be required to know this, perhaps not. would you have even asked this question? No for me. As we have debated on here RIDDOR many times the only way you get know your way around them is with frequent use. Not all safety managers etc use them that frequently, hence the Q's on here.
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 24 March 2015 11:52:10(UTC)
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firesafety101

I hope you don't think of me as a smart ass but I knew the answer because it came up on this very forum not so very long ago. I was surprised at the time but it did stick with me. If you search for recent RIDDOR threads you may find it. Good luck anyway.
A Kurdziel  
#14 Posted : 24 March 2015 11:57:13(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The problem here is that the ‘right’ answer, which you gave-report as the difference between a drop in centre and A&E is just semantics is not what the company wanted ie don’t report until you absolutely have to-which is the ‘wrong’ answer but what the company wanted to hear.
Colossians 1:14  
#15 Posted : 24 March 2015 12:15:37(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

A Kurdziel wrote:
The problem here is that the ‘right’ answer, which you gave-report as the difference between a drop in centre and A&E is just semantics is not what the company wanted ie don’t report until you absolutely have to-which is the ‘wrong’ answer but what the company wanted to hear.
+ 1 million
bob youel  
#16 Posted : 24 March 2015 13:55:14(UTC)
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bob youel

Thanks for the update ---------- With all due respect my local 'drop in centre [DIC]' is being advertised as a hospital department by the GP's and other NHS areas and is 'pushed' as the place to go if you have a medical problem No distinctions are noted in any advertising between the hospital and the DIC [which is in the hospital grounds] and I would not have called it by another name because of the GP etc. advertising until I read this posting and as far as i know it [although I have not read RIDDOR for a time] the term 'drop in centre' in the law is not mentioned nor is a difference between a hospital and other such places noted So does this now mean that we have to tell all employees that they have to go to hospital and not the DIC's if they have an accident at work!
firesafety101  
#17 Posted : 24 March 2015 14:50:19(UTC)
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firesafety101

Perhaps we should be advising A&E as the place to go?
A Kurdziel  
#18 Posted : 24 March 2015 15:28:14(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Having looked at this thread I revisited the HSE pages on RIDDOR. I must be losing it as I can now see that the ACoP has gone- all those pages describing the different scenarios has now been replaced by this 5 page leaflet-http://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/examples-reportable-incidents.htm Not very helpful is it? and no mention of Drop in Centre v A&E
jay  
#19 Posted : 24 March 2015 17:46:51(UTC)
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jay

I am afraid that the term hospital is NOT explicitly defined in the regulations. Whilst a GP surgery is generally NOT a treatment centre, Walk-in Centres are treatment facilities for "Minor Injuries" , therefore whether one is taken to A & E in a pukka hospital or to a Walk in Clinic that is NOT explicitly referred to as an Hospital is semantics-- BOTH provide treatments to INJURIES . It would be interesting for HSE to clarify this. For example, where I am based, for minor injuries, it is far simpler ( as takes less travel time & there will be less of a wait) to go to the minor injuries unit. http://www.oxfordhealth....ion=minor-injuries-units
stuie  
#20 Posted : 24 March 2015 21:09:15(UTC)
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stuie

So, did you get the job Andy?
philb  
#21 Posted : 24 March 2015 21:34:07(UTC)
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philb

Question says more about the person who asked it than th he person who got it wrong. If we recruit a h and s person we should look for an influencer rather than someone who can tell the difference between a hospital and a walk in centre. Discuss
A Kurdziel  
#22 Posted : 25 March 2015 09:19:39(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

philb wrote:
Question says more about the person who asked it than the person who got it wrong. If we recruit a H&S person we should look for an influencer rather than someone who can tell the difference between a hospital and a walk in centre. Discuss
Strictly speaking the only person who can tell us whether a walk in centre is a hospital or not is a judge (in a court of record). The interviewers were in effect trying to second guess honourable members of the bench… generally not a good thing. I can image them trying to explain to his/her honour why they did not report something under RIDDOR: “well it was a drop-in centre not a hospital”. The appropriate judicial response being “nobody likes a smart arse!”
achrn  
#23 Posted : 25 March 2015 09:22:51(UTC)
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achrn

philb wrote:
Question says more about the person who asked it than th he person who got it wrong. If we recruit a h and s person we should look for an influencer rather than someone who can tell the difference between a hospital and a walk in centre. Discuss
That rather depends upon whether the interviewer put more weight on the answer or the discussion of the answer.
A Kurdziel  
#24 Posted : 25 March 2015 10:24:50(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

"They were to be answered pretty much on the spot without the ability to discuss ( I was given a copy of the Regs for reference)" I think there was no discussion of the answer which leads to the assumption that the interview panel knew the 'right' answer ie the one they wanted to hear
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