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Age old question, but when looking at the following sections of the Health and Safety (First-Aid) Regulations 1981:
Tablets and medication 42 First aid at work does not include giving tablets or medicines to treat illness. The only exception to this is where aspirin is used as first aid to a casualty with a suspected heart attack in accordance with currently accepted first-aid practice. It is recommended that tablets and medicines should not be kept in the first-aid container.
43 Some workers carry their own medication that has been prescribed by their doctor (eg an inhaler for asthma). If an individual needs to take their own prescribed medication, the first-aider’s role is generally limited to helping them do so and contacting the emergency services, as appropriate.
Would you then apply this to antibacterial creams etc.? Can you then substantiate this with case law or formal notifications from either LAs or HSE?
Andrew
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Are you referring to the employee's own anti-bacterial cream or one from your own first aid kit? Is it intended to apply this to an open cut or other skin trauma?
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Hello Andrew
I think it will be very unlikely anyone will be able to refer you to case law or LA / HSE interventions - the contents of a first aid kit is unlikely to warrant such effort or expense from the powers-that-be.
As ever, it's down to your RA - first aid assessment of need.
We do not stock antibac cream as we feel it is not appropriate for a first aid situation - washing and covering a wound is all that is required (HRABC or whatever it is these days: stopping the bleeding is the priority before preventing infection).
Always bear in mind this is "first aid", ie initial help to a casualty, not medical treatment.
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I was always taught that not pills or potions, but there is an increasing trend in different sting lotions and burn creams that are making their way into kits these days. With that in mind here is the BS - 8599-1 approved ST Johns ambulance kit. No mention of an creams. http://www.stjohnsupplie...8599-1-St-John-Ambulance
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Things to bear in mind with creams and the like:
Allergies, Most people are not allergic to antibac creams, antihistamine creams etc. However, what if your person being treated is? Germaline can be an issue with those who suffer penicillin allergies - for example my sisters skin blisters if she comes into contact with it and has scars from childhood from teachers applying it despite her telling them that she is allergic as 'Teacher knows best' cue our very angry parents telling teacher that they do not know best!
Dates: If you are keeping creams then you need to ensure that they are in date.
Cross contamination: Some people apply creams in a variety of ways, putting the cream on fingers / gloved and un gloved, squeezing the tube and rubbing it on the skin or worse the wound - all of which are great ways of spreading infection.
For all of these reasons I would not keep any creams in first aid kits.
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Andrew Bober wrote:Age old question, but when looking at the following sections of the Health and Safety (First-Aid) Regulations 1981:
Tablets and medication 42 First aid at work does not include giving tablets or medicines to treat illness. The only exception to this is where aspirin is used as first aid to a casualty with a suspected heart attack in accordance with currently accepted first-aid practice. It is recommended that tablets and medicines should not be kept in the first-aid container.
43 Some workers carry their own medication that has been prescribed by their doctor (eg an inhaler for asthma). If an individual needs to take their own prescribed medication, the first-aider’s role is generally limited to helping them do so and contacting the emergency services, as appropriate.
Would you then apply this to antibacterial creams etc.? Can you then substantiate this with case law or formal notifications from either LAs or HSE?
Andrew
No - as you say it has to be prescribed medication and the help should be to assist the casualty in taking their own medicine. Eg if a casualty had both hands injured and needed their inhaler it would be reasonable to get it from wherever they kept it and 'help' them do so by holding and operating under their instruction. Not doing so may make the situation worse - but of course other factors about taking medication when awaiting medical help would also need to be factored in. I cannot see lotions and potions having the same urgency and risk reduction as perhaps heart medication. My thoughts - but of course each first aider would need to consider in the circumstances they face.
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Just noticed that at one site someone has sneaked in some Savalon dry antiseptic spray and some savalon first aid wash spray. ( No one knows where they came from !!!).We have the normal first kits in place with a couple of extras
The antiseptic spray seems to be for when you don't have a first aid kit, and The wash seems to be for washing out the wound again with antiseptic properties.
I remembered this thread and from the above you seem to be recommending it is not in there. Not being a first aider myself I not sure what benefit they really have, would you remove these items?
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Personally the nearest I get to lotions and potions is burn gels to seal a burn or scald until you can see a medical professional.
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In addition if I had hydrofluoric acid on site I would consider adding the gel to treat this, probably in addition to having this also located at the point where the acid was being used, as speed is essential in the event of skin exposure.
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We do hold the HF neutralising gel on site and the burns gel but this is all in the way of creams and potions that we would hold as well.
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Yes we also have burns gel and I'm happy enough for this to be in there.
Just could not see the purpose of the other two items above, but someone thought they were useful for some reason.
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Ok not sure I will get much more on my question above so as it is effectively the end of this week and Easter.
I'm diabetic do you think it is ok for me to insist on Cad... Cream eggs being put into all first aid boxes, just in case I get low blood sugar levels ? I'm sure I will be ok to self medicate with these. Would it count as a potion ?
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chris.packham wrote:Jodie
In addition if I had hydrofluoric acid on site I would consider adding the gel to treat this, probably in addition to having this also located at the point where the acid was being used, as speed is essential in the event of skin exposure.
Chris Hi Chris, Thanks for adding, I was thinking more for my site its the heat tunnel and hot water that cause the problems and we do the same- where there is a high risk of something we have kits stocked with gels. Jodie
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Ditto chris's note on HF gel with the appropriate training of course....for anything else I would say steer clear. I would be mightly hacked off if I turned up and couldn't examine because of being lathered in c**P... Just burns kits and sterile dressing, cling film...'although there is a debate going on currently in the profession on cling film'... There are lots of 'add ons' that you can have with the appropriate training...e.g Hypostop etc, contractors (I mean oil and gas guys) deploying to Iraq/Afrganistan get a kit with CAT torniquet. All with the appropriate training and refreasher training.
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