Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
RO  
#1 Posted : 07 April 2015 08:58:54(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
RO

Have we any Gas Safe experts on this forum who can help me with a query I have had. Who is competent to inspect Gas Flues...........? The setting is that construction work is taking place on a series of properties and our building firm has been asked to inspect the flue system at the end of each day to ensure it is not damaged as the residents shall remain in the property during works. Previously we had used a gas safe engineer to inspect and certify on completion of the works but have now been asked to do daily inspections as well as this final day inspection. The question is do the daily inspections need to be by a gas safe engineer or could an experienced project manager do this for the dailly checks prior to the gas safe engineer signing off on completion?
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 08 April 2015 09:42:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
bob youel

If your experienced project manager is competent to check, inspect etc. such things then it may be a halfway house situation before the formally Gas Safe person undertakes the proper checks and sign off. However ........; and that is the problem as I advise that the Gas Regs and HSE guidance be consulted and a case made to your MD etc. as the MD can then price for the additional work using appropriate people appropriately In my experience its always best to check, inspect and examine using appropriately competent people at all stages especially when it comes to high risk areas as I personally would not sign off anothers thoughts etc. unless I knew for certain that person was firstly competent and secondly they were taking the same risk as I am best of luck
firesafety101  
#3 Posted : 08 April 2015 12:28:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
firesafety101

IMO the flue of a gas central heating system is the most important part of the system because if it goes wrong people have been known to die. Therefore any person checking such a part of an installation needs to be GasSafe competent.
RO  
#4 Posted : 09 April 2015 09:11:43(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
RO

Thanks guys, that supports what I had first thought. The next question is - during external work on a domestic property around the flue but not on the flue (scaffolding, roofing, rendering), what do you think is a reasonable inspection regime by a Gas Safe Engineer. There has a suggestion that it should be daily which I suspect is a lot more than most property maintenance companies are going with.
Alfasev  
#5 Posted : 09 April 2015 15:21:28(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Alfasev

I think people are over egging the risks. Most boilers are room sealed and carbon monoxide will not seep into the building via the actual boiler. The flue will have to be damaged or blocked with a path for the gas to enter the building. Providing the gas flues are not modified, worked on, damaged, enclosed, blocked or affected by the works then I believe it is appropriate for a site manager to carry out daily end of shift checks and only call in a gas register engineer if there are any issues. The hazards associated with gas flues should have been tackled in a risk and method statement and tool box talks. The end of shift checks should be the last and not the premier control. The site manger should receive some advice/training from a gas register engineer.
Zyggy  
#6 Posted : 10 April 2015 09:01:42(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Zyggy

Having read the original posting it is not clear what type of gas flue is being discussed & there is an assumption that it only relates to boilers. If gas fires are being used then there is a legal obligation to ensure that the flues are working effectively by using smoke tests, etc. This obviously extends to any gas appliance that requires a flue & if work is being carried out in or near such flues, then dependent on the type of flue, e.g. copex lined, then there is a foreseeable risk of debris being dislodged & products of combustion not being able to escape safely. I would urge you to consider using a competent Gas Safe engineer to make these tests, as in my experience (17 years with British Gas) this can lead to fatalities. Zyggy
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.