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Morning All,
A member of staff, a line manager, has repeatedly not turned up for IOSH Managing Safely. After the last time it was made very clear to him that this was non negotiable and he had to attend, participate and pass. So here we are on day one of the course and he hasn't turned up. His phone is off and nobody knows where he is.
My question is: can I now charge him for the cost of the course (which I have already been billed for)? The disciplinary measures are nothing to do with me and will be dealt with by HR and his own Manager.
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This is why I think that training should not come out of the Health and Safety budget. If the costs occurred came out of his team budget he’d have to justify it to his manager. Similarly PPE should always be paid for by the operational budget not from the H&S budget.
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Morning
I encountered a similar problem recently, and it also involved staff not turning up for IOSH MS sessions. All the members of our company's health and safety committees must be H&S rep trained and have at least the IOSH MS certificate. A small extra weekly payment is given to those on the committee, but they must be actively involved in that committee. If for whatever reason they wish to resign from the committee or refuse or don't turn up for refresher training this payment is stopped and they are removed from the H&S committee.
The main issue that I encountered was company managers; they to are required to complete the IOSH MS course. I got around this by booking on-line IOSH MS courses so they could complete the course why they had time. I still had to put a lot of pressure on certain managers to complete the course. I did this by keeping their senior managers up to date with their progress who in turn made sure the courses were completed on time.
I also agree with the last post that you must work in conjunction with your HR department on this one, they could go down the disciplinary route if necessary.
Good luck.
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lwthesm wrote:
My question is: can I now charge him for the cost of the course (which I have already been billed for)?
Why are you asking us? That's a matter for your company procedures, surely. I expect that no-one outside your company can tell you that (possibly an external auditor who has examined your budgetary control procedures could, if you have one).
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If you want to send a bill, send it to his Manager.
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I used to manage training in my previous role and all costs relating to it were costed to a designated training budget rather than the operational budgets for each site/department. I had a similar issue with a particular employee who just failed to turn up for a rather expensive training course without any apparent good reason. I don't know what happened on the disciplinary side of things but the re-arranged course was billed to his department which incidentally due to the cost needed the relevant directors approval - needless to say I got a phone call asking why I had allocated this cost to his budget and he wasn't a happy chappy when provided with the explanation. His employee definitely got a rollicking and attended the re-arranged course.
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Afternoon - have other considerations been given to why he repeatedly does not show up?
- None negotiable must attend and pass
Seams heavy handed and I appreciate I not in position of all facts.
Just my thoughts on reading?
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Before we shoot the employee, could I suggest you ask the person why.
I had a very similar issue with a supervisor for the same course. However on talking privately to him he admitted to not being the best at reading, writing etc and because he would be with other supervisors from our company he was embarrassed. He didn't want them to know and make his life hell after.
I allowed an employee from another organisation to join in our course and he joined in with another company. He passed, everyone happy.
Some people are not good with tests and the like.
It has to be worth a conversation, especially if they are a good employee otherwise. Additionally it could easily be down to their manager not releasing them to do it.
Just a thought.
Chris
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Fully agree with the other comments about trying to find out why he wasn't attending - I've experienced a situation whereby a guy said he had left his reading glasses in the car when confronted with an in-house training situation and he would need to go and get them and fled the site in shear panic (leaving his job with no intention of coming back) at the thought of having to do reading/writing infront of our trainer. It was only when he didn't return after a period of time our trainer went looking for him and we found a trail of his PPE heading towards the car park that a fellow employee who had worked with him previously said this had happened before and explained the situation. If the individual has legitimate reasons then you need to deal with these. If this is potentially an issue could he do an online version of the course with your one to one support.
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Understand why he hasn't attended. Collect the facts. Then decide on the course of action.
There is a reason why he is avoiding the training, speak with him.
We also need to understand our teams, as some people just aren't cut out for certain educational course. Can he read and write? A lot of workers today cannot put a sentence together.
If they are just simply trying it on, pass the cost of the course onto his department, although I am not sure about the HR route. For me its all down to top management commitment.
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Lwthesm,
Lots of interesting posts above, but the simple answer to your question is that assuming your manager is an employee, unless it had been agreed with him in advance of booking the course that he would pay in the event of non-attendance, you cannot charge him for the cost of the course.
His continued non attendance on training that has been provided for him and is an employee management issue that needs to be dealt with by your HR Department.
I trust this is of assistance.
Regards. DJ
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Thank you all for your comments. I know that I can't really get him to pay I'm just annoyed. There are no literacy problems he just thinks he is above all the "H&S nonsense"!! Drives me crazy! It's now in the hands of HR and his HOD.
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