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We have pigeons in our factory. They seem to work in shifts - day shift and night shift. When the roller door opens in the morning the night shift leave and the day shift arrive.
We have had exterminators come in in the past but within a few days the pigeons disposed of are replaced by others. Apart from keeping all the doors and windows closed which is not going to happen, how can I deter our feathered friends from taking up residence?
Many thanks
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Hilary, keep the door closed?
Alternatively, have you tried a 2nd internal door or translucent plastic strips? Whilst they do reduce visibility for FLT drivers they do form a barrier for the feathered rats.
Also, spiked strips along all the horizontal roof supports such as are found on external window sills of many buildings.
Failing that, being Friday, what about signs at the doors?
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Hilary, have the pigeons had an induction?
Seriously, David's advice is similar to what I would have said. Find out where they reside and put spikes to deter them from roosting. You can also engage someone with a bird of prey to scare them off, however you may find they return at some point.
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I think you need to find out why these flying rats like your factory.
My very 1st job was a trainee lab techician in a stilton cheese factory, but my main task involved an air rifle!
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Outside the doorways erect 'lifelike' Peregrine Falcons. That may do the trick.
At this time of year the stinking things will be nesting...an air rifle in the right hands (or left for that matter) seems as good as any.
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Have you considered Pie ?
I think you will find you are not supposed to exterminate wild birds during the nesting season or when they have young ? so too late this year I would guess.
We used to have a sea gull problem in a previous employment, they would attack employees. We tried the bird of pray thing, But they only went for a while and it was expensive. We also tried plastic birds of pray at strategic locations on the building etc. About two weeks after installation an employee took a photo of a seagull stood on the head of the plastic bird of pray - we gave up.
Where's tiddles ?
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Chris42 wrote:Have you considered Pie ?
Where's tiddles ?
My cat sits watching the pigeons eating my brassicas.
I swear he is pointing out to them, the bits they have missed.
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The above is a long winded read.. but worth a look. I'll stick to shooting the things (feral).
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The pigeons will need somewhere to rest, usually under eaves. Taking pot-shots at them won’t shift them but might end up injuring someone. The best thing to do is to put nets over the spaces where they like to rest. Nowhere for them to rest, they’ll move on.
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That was the piece of legislation I was referring too, however I was not aware of this caveat :-
The feral pigeon appears on the list of birds that can be taken.
•Birds that are listed on the relevant General Licence can only be killed if they represent a demonstrable risk to public health and safety.
•Birds cannot be killed or their nests interfered with under the relevant General Licence in order to protect the fabric of a building.
•The General Licences can only be acted upon in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that all non-lethal methods of control (installation of deterrents or scaring devices) are likely to fail or are impracticable. The authorised person must be able to demonstrate, if legally challenged, which non-lethal methods of control have been tried and found to fail and why these methods have failed.
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Feral pigeons will nest and rest on every single horizontal ledge they can get their bottoms on. (like any and all steel girders in a factory) You'll need a lot of nets and spikes.
Quite frankly, like Tesco's and the super markets.. you may be stuck with them. The best think you can do is clear up and food source and set about clearing up the mess after them.
True about taking shots at them. Not the best plan but it was said with my tongue-in-cheek and I didn't think anyone would think I was serious about using a weapon in a factory situation.
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And the dried airborne dust of the poo of the Feral pigeons does indeed present a risk to humans...
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Based on personal experience of 'discouraging' pigeons from railway depot building, I would suggest you consider the following.
1. Block off all openings where possible
2. If you need windows that open - fit them with small size grillages to prevent entry
3. Cover all flat [roosting' surfaces with anti-pigeon spikes
4. Depending on the roof structure [i.e., if its a lattice girder type structure] - fit a complete horizontal netting screen below the girders, so pigeons have nothing to fly up on to
5. Fit a secondary screen behind roller shutter door to deter pigeons
6. Keep plugging away with the exterminators.
7. Remove any food sources - including uneaten staff sandwiches etc
Good Luck - you'll need it
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We fly kites. Having spent a fortune on real birds of prey, fake birds, spikes, netting etc etc we have found that this works best and it's cheap and the staff enjoy it. What's not to like?
PS Alan, is that a gingerbread cake in your picture? Looks fab!
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Alan Haynes' response at #16 contains plenty of good practical advice.
Though this thread is about pigeons inside buildings, it might be worth mentioning that many buildings and other structures such as railway bridges, especially in towns and cities, have anti-pigeon spikes and/or nets to keep pigeons off their exteriors. The benefits of such spikes and nets include eliminating or minimising the need for routine cleaning of pigeon droppings from such structures and all the costs and risks involved. The nets used nowadays tend to be very fine and transparent so their presence is not readily apparent from a casual glance.
Another reason for trying to deal with pigeons inside industrial premises is the possibility that some employees might endanger themselves by climbing to the roost areas and trying to catch a few for cooking and eating. Though this scenario might seem far fetched to some, it was the basis of a civil compensation case Uddin v Associated Portland Cement Manufacturers Ltd in 1965. Mr Uddin had claimed compensation after suffering serious injury through contact with moving machinery while trying to catch a pigeon in an overhead area. Though the company was adjudged to be at fault for not guarding the machinery involved, the amount of Mr Uddin's compensation was reduced by 80% because he should have realised that his actions in going where he did were foolhardy. The detailed report of the case contains some humour in that the judge made a wry passing comment that Mr Uddin's "actions were not actuated by benevolence towards the pigeon".
Come to think of it, if any forum users have experienced eating pigeon (or rather cooked pigeon meat to be exact), can they say if they found it tasty or otherwise? If it's okay, perhaps there's a niche market for capturing pigeons and selling them for consumption! Also, though pigeons are well known for carrying nasty diseases, I guess that their meat, like that of chickens, is safe to eat if properly prepared and cooked. Furthermore, if one or more celebrity chefs were able and willing to extol cooking pigeon, perhaps it could become the latest culinary fashion! :-)
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Road kill pigeons are easy on the pallet. Years ago I was working in Duxford and late on a Spring evening I heard a "thump" at the near front side of the car. I stopped to investigate. To my complete surprise I had hit (or rather a pheasant hit me) and was in a poor but non fatal state under my wheel arch.
It was a lonely road - not much travelled. I could not leave the striken creature to die in pain over an indefinate period. Reaching for the wheel brace in the trunk I gave the unfortunate bird a few hard taps in a delicate place and after it ran around for a few seconds it collapsed on the verge.
I gathered the corpse and with the trunk already open it was laid out within- just as a car passed.
Two days later I had a surprise knock on the door and was mortifified to find two constables as visitors. I invited them in fearing the very worst. Into the kitchen they came and remarked about the rather splendid aroma of a hearthy hot pot.
The lady constable was following up a report of "suspicious activity" where a male was seen loading "something" into a car truck and "speeding off" .
After confirming my name, whereabouts on the day in question I duly fessed up about hitting a pheasant. The lady constable asked me what I did with the casulaty and was rocked when I opened the AGA and showed her my cooking dinner.
She was a smart lass and told me that "taking a pheasant" as I did was illegal . However, any following car could do so with impunity.
They soon left after declining an offer of Pheasant & Ale Hotpot.
Jon
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