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Birjees  
#1 Posted : 28 April 2015 15:15:08(UTC)
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Birjees

Hello there

I was wondering if health and safety could be considered a transferable skill. By that I mean could the HSE experience acquired in one field be used in other industries? For example, could HSE experience gain in Facilities Management or Logistics, be used in Construction or Oil and Gas? If not, why not? How can I persuade recruiters in O&G and Construction to consider my application since this is where all the advertised jobs in Dubai appear to be.

I've been out of work for over 2 years. Please could someone advise me?

Thanks
JayPownall  
#2 Posted : 28 April 2015 15:23:42(UTC)
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JayPownall

I would firstly try and avoid H&S being talked about as a skill as such. I think the elements that make up a good H&S professional can be deemed skills. I've gone from health and social care to nuclear and although the sectors are incomparable much of my work draws upon past experiences - but more so the hard skills, such as incident management, risk profiling, risk management, risk analysis etc etc - all core skills that are transferable to all sectors. The biggest challenege I found was trying to get my current employer to understand that the raw H&S skills are the same in most sectors - its how you apply them and how the relevant sector legislation impacts upon them. Making that disticntion that yes you have experience in a sector not relevant to the post in question is worthwhile - outlining however a desire to continue your learning and apply your skills in a different sector, even if that requires elements of re-traning etc.
Birjees  
#3 Posted : 28 April 2015 15:32:27(UTC)
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Birjees

Thank you for the reply JayPownall. You make some excellent and valid points. The problem is that in Dubai, if an employer says Oil and Gas or Construction experience is essential, I cannot even apply for it. On the other hand, if I do apply regardless of what the advert says, I think that the points you made in your reply might help me. I hadn't even thought of them. Thank you.
westonphil  
#4 Posted : 28 April 2015 15:55:16(UTC)
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westonphil

Birjees,

How you get on will depend as much upon your competition for the roles you apply for as it will other things. If, for example, the employer asks for specific experience and everyone else has it, as well as your qualifications, then the employer will choose those who has what they want.

If your competition is however also lacking the specific experience then you would need to show you are a better candidate than them, and maybe the pointing out how you can apply your trade in their are will do just that.

I would suggest that you could do some research on the area you wish to apply for and take a look at your experience and write a covering letter showing how your experience can be properly applied in their area. That would show initiative, intelligence and motivation and that someone can apply their experience and knowledge in a variety of environments. This is quite an important skill to have because construction by nature is an environment which constantly changing from start to end.

However, if you do apply to work in a higher risk area and you are light on relevant experience then set realistic expectations; keep trying but don't get despondent if you receive a fair number of 'no thank you's'.

Good luck.

Regards
Gav81  
#5 Posted : 28 April 2015 16:08:18(UTC)
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Gav81

Birjees,

From my own experience I would definitely say yes. I have worked in the construction sector, oil and gas and soon to start work in the renewable energy industry.
Ian Bell  
#6 Posted : 28 April 2015 17:42:50(UTC)
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Ian Bell

H&S is a transferable skill.

With particular note to the oil & gas industry though, if you can get a job in O&G safety at the moment, you will be doing very well.

Until the oil price returns to normal, there are lots of very experienced guys looking for work and/or barely holding on to jobs at the moment. Don't think you are going to make a financial killing in O&G at the moment, because you aren't.

In many h&s oil related jobs, additional qualifications are looked for - IOSH qualifications are not usually enough. Especially on the engineering side - degree and/or MSc is fairly standard in safety engineering jobs.
Birjees  
#7 Posted : 29 April 2015 05:55:29(UTC)
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Birjees

Thank you so much for all your replies.

Yes there may be a fair bit of competition with regards to workers with experience in Oil & Gas and Construction.

I think, as westonphil suggested, doing some research before sending in a covering letter will show initiative. However, many companies will not budge from their requirements even if a candidate has potential to do the job well. They would much rather recruit a candidate from the Indian subcontinent because he is cheaper, even though his language skills are very poor indeed.

I have been in certificate audits where the auditor's language skills are so weak, it is almost impossible to determine what non-conformity he found and what he was suggesting. We would spend ages just doing guess work or, at best calling him to ask for clarification.

I also have the problem in that many employers will say they want 'an Indian with Indian qualifications' or 'Arabic speaker' a must'. Or they insist that the candidate has to be a male. Sometimes all they want all of these requirements at once.

As a result, whenever I apply for a role, my expectations are almost zero in terms of even a response. Hiring managers rarely say 'no thank you'. One gets left hanging around wondering what happened to the application. They don't even send a follow up even after they have interviewed you. Again, they do not do that here.

Moreover, 80% of the QHSE roles in Dubai are not advertised. They are filled through word of mouth and through a network of reliable contacts. Despite having almost 400 contacts on LinkedIn and repeated post for help in finding a role or referrals to any potential openings, I get zero replies. I have registered with about 15 recruitment agents and no a single one has found anything for me.

I recently undertook a NEBOSH IGC course online. I passed the written exams and just completed the practical.

I am not even interested in making a financial killing in Oil & Gas because I am more interested in getting a job, with some money coming in to tide me over and to have residence visa. The reason I made specific reference to Oil&Gas and Construction was because these are the 2 areas where QHSE jobs appear to be going. My field is Security, FM, Cash Services, Logistics and Port Operations but there do not appear to be any openings here. I need to look outside my fields.

Suffice it to say I am terribly despondent. I am confident I will pass, but despite this qualification, I do not believe it will help.
jodieclark1510  
#8 Posted : 29 April 2015 08:15:11(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

The key thing is you have to keep going. After I did my ngc and fire certs it took me almost 18 months to get that break- alot of throwback I got was " you don't have the experience". Don't let this get you down though. I finally was offered a split H&S Admin/Personal Assistant role which really boosted my practical knowledge and confidence, and now I am into my 3rd week as an HSEQ Compliance Trainee. It does work out but make sure you speak well of what experience you have got, whether it is in that sector or not, be honest, and be prepared to learn. In this role I am facing almost completely new stuff that I never came across in my previous role, and I love it- its something new all over again.

I wish you all the best in your journey, please keep us updated!
Birjees  
#9 Posted : 29 April 2015 08:15:53(UTC)
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Birjees

Gav81 how did you persuade a potential employer from a different sector to consider your CV. I find in Dubai that, unless you match their job description to the letter, your application is discarded
walker  
#10 Posted : 29 April 2015 08:16:00(UTC)
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walker

This might sound cruel but if you think you can compete with someone with degree level qualifications in H&S and most likely an engineering degree too plus years of experience in the industry, on the back of a NEBOSH certificate, you are going to be very disappointed.
When O&G is booming you have a chance but at the moment ...............

Its a buyer's market and outside the UK (and away from the equality laws) the buyer can stipulate what he likes.

Word of mouth and Linkedin are no where near the same thing.
"I lived and worked with this bloke on a rig for 6 months and he was a good chap" is hardly the same as "I once exchanged an e-mail out of the blue with this person"
walker  
#11 Posted : 29 April 2015 08:22:53(UTC)
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walker

Birjees wrote:
Gav81 how did you persuade a potential employer from a different sector to consider your CV. I find in Dubai that, unless you match their job description to the letter, your application is discarded


Imagine you are the employer.
100 applications arrive on your desk.
You need to filter them down to about 10 maybes (whose application you will read more closely), taking less than a minute per application.
Unfair or harsh, but that's the reality.
Birjees  
#12 Posted : 29 April 2015 09:17:35(UTC)
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Birjees

I understand the filtering process but the UAE recruitment process is very different. In Dubai, you get a job NOT because of your knowledge, skills or experience but because of WHO you know within the company. You get a job here through your contacts...someone who knows someone who happens to know someone who happens to have a position or knows of one. Also, may companies hire people who claimed to have certain qualifications but they turn out to be bogus. Because a lot of people come here from the Indian subcontinent claiming to have degrees which do not exist. They pay for them and then try to get jobs here. And they get them because they are cheap.

Most engineers in Dubai do not work in HSE. I know many people who work in construction firms and most of the HSE managers are not Engineers.

Also many of the people I know on Linkedin are actually people I know and have either met or worked with in the past.
Birjees  
#13 Posted : 29 April 2015 09:20:06(UTC)
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Birjees

jodieclark1510 thank you for your encouraging words. I will keep you posted certainly. Many thanks :)
walker  
#14 Posted : 29 April 2015 10:13:42(UTC)
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walker

Clearly I have no idea what happens out there in Dubai.

Who you know is and always will be the best way in.

On the one hand you say its entirely down to who you know.
Then you say you have met & worked with "many people"
So if the former is true the latter should be getting you the job.

World wide O&G (not construction maybe) there are may highly skilled people looking for work.

Your various comments about people from the Indian Subcontinent would be considered to be racist in the UK.
Birjees  
#15 Posted : 29 April 2015 10:27:41(UTC)
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Birjees

Hi walker, not necessarily. The people you know need to be reliable and know you on a personal level, like family, uncle, brother, sister etc

My comments will indeed be considered racists in the UK but not in Dubai. Here the recruitment process is entirely racist. Every person who lives out here, British, American and any other country would say exactly the same thing. In fact, many of the Indians themselves say it too.

Employers pay salaries based on nationality. If there are 2 people with exactly the same skills and experience and qualifications but one is a Westerner and the other is not, the Westerner will be paid 10 times the salary and be given huge benefits.

Even recruitment agents here use the same approach.

One time I applied for a job through a recruitment agent. The job advert said they wanted someone who was UK/US educated. I applied because I have British qualifications and I am a British citizen. The agent (who was an Indian) said that I could not apply. I said to him that I was UK/US educated. He rudely said to me, when the advert says UK/US educated, they mean they want a white person which I am not.

If you speak to anyone in the UAE, your race plays a huge part in the way you are treated in the workplace....;)

westonphil  
#16 Posted : 29 April 2015 11:46:02(UTC)
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westonphil

Birjees,

You seem to have gone through a process of highlighting all the challenges you face in getting a job in Dubai and yet state you are a British Citizen and hold British Qualifications and do not have relevant experience in the Oil and Gas area.

If what you say is true, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then it would seem your challenges are more about who you know rather than what you know and you will not likely find your answer in these forums.

Sorry but if companies employ people with bogus qualifications then maybe those companies are not the best employer to work for and so maybe you need to consider that. If those same companies employ people in a range of jobs without properly checking their qualifications then you may find more hazards and risks than you could every cope with.

Suggest you put your sensible head on and start looking elsewhere for H&S work, you may actually be more successful.

Regards
Birjees  
#17 Posted : 29 April 2015 11:53:29(UTC)
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Birjees

@walker you are right. I have been wrestling with this for the past 2 years.

Looking elsewhere is something many people in Dubai and London have suggested. But I am in two minds because leaving Dubai would mean leaving behind my late father whom we buried in Dubai just over 2 years ago. If I left, I would feel like I am leaving him behind.

Also, the only option would be for me to return to the UK but who's to say there are jobs there? From what I hear, the job market is very bad there because a lot of British people seems to be coming out here because they can't find anything in Britain.

But it is something to think about.
bob youel  
#18 Posted : 12 May 2015 17:14:35(UTC)
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bob youel

its probably a better place to try to get work than in the UK at this time as D is still booming compared to the UK - keep trying & U will get there

best of luck
Wayne Bayman  
#19 Posted : 26 May 2015 08:01:21(UTC)
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Wayne Bayman

I know a guy working on a rig in sub-sahara africa. We come from the same city. He had zero experience in O&G or offshore work but he got himself the NEBOSH certificate for general industry and got an offshore job via a mate of his.

I have 10 years experience in the petro-chemical industry as a HAZMAT technician, operations manager, and various other roles. Have a SAMTRAC qualification, IOSH and SAIOSH registered, have completed advanced fire fighting and first aid courses, am an authorised level 2 permit issuer for Petronas, gas tester, WaH training, confined space training and rescue, BP Control of works and defined practices training, asbestos training, transport of hazardous goods and to top it off I have a certificate in industrial electronics, motor and diesel mechanic, mechano technology and electrical trade theory and I couldnt get that same job today. I even have experience working in the middle east for the oil and gas industry

But...once you get that first position in O&G you are set. Even if it is through a recruitment company. The advice I received from a friend of mine is use the job search portals on the internet (you can find them on google by searching offshore jobs or oil and gas jobs), send out your CV to just about every single position, even if you are not qualified. Recruiters keep your CV or sometimes of they cant find the right candidate to look at the next best. Keep an eye on the jobs that you are best qualified for. Resend you CV a day or two before closing time on those. Recruiters tend to only remember the last few applications they received.

Rinse and repeat this process and eventually something will fall out the tree.
pradeesh  
#20 Posted : 26 May 2015 10:47:44(UTC)
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pradeesh

in my view, Yes Definitely transferable, The basics of Health and Safety stands the same across the industries.The only thing is when you switch the career area from one to another, its some time difficult to find a similar good opening.. Let say moving from construction to oil & Gas some time its quite difficult....

regards,

Pradeesh
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