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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 05 May 2015 16:26:35(UTC)
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firesafety101

My 17 year old son took his driving theory test today and introduced me to this question on the way to the test centre, as we were driving through the Mersey Tunnel: You are driving through a tunnel. Your vehicle catches fire. What should you do? Carry out an emergency stop Reverse out of the tunnel Turn your vehicle around immediately Continue through the tunnel if you can The answer can be found at http://www.taketheorytes....uk/learn/2704/question/ I will be interested in anyone's view of the answer. Thanks. (He failed by the way, 5 marks short on one of the two sections).
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 05 May 2015 16:32:38(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

least bad option I think
Animax01  
#3 Posted : 05 May 2015 16:41:28(UTC)
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Animax01

I would say continue through the tunnel if you can. Reason being that the smoke and fire in a confined space such as a tunnel is a danger for you and the other road users. If you can exit the tunnel and then exit the vehicle safely, then I would do this. A difficult scenario, and one I hope I don't have to encounter!
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 05 May 2015 16:57:01(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks, I agree its the least bad option. I know the Mersey Tunnel has excellent fire detection and 24/7 monitoring CCTV. They have smoke blowers that can control smoke direction, i.e. push and pull and Tunnel Police always available but it is a 2.2 mile tunnel so if in the middle I wouldn't fancy driving a burning vehicle at least a mile (or even twice that distance) inside a tunnel??????
David Bannister  
#5 Posted : 05 May 2015 17:21:09(UTC)
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David Bannister

"if you can" are perhaps the key words.
toe  
#6 Posted : 05 May 2015 19:38:07(UTC)
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toe

I guess its the best answer than that the others available.
jodieclark1510  
#7 Posted : 06 May 2015 09:22:33(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

I had this on my theory last year and said continue through the tunnel if you can- I got one wrong in the multiple choice test but I won't say if it was this one :-)
Ian Bell  
#8 Posted : 06 May 2015 10:13:57(UTC)
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Ian Bell

Looks to me to be the stupidity of a multi choice question. What you would do depends on a number of factors How close you are to the tunnel entrance/exit Traffic conditions How serious the fire is/how quickly it is spreading How many occupants in the car Age/capability of those in the car The answer seems to be the 'best option at the time, depending on how you see the risk/consequences of the situation. Probably NOT the 3rd option in any circumstances - as its likely to waste time.
RayRapp  
#9 Posted : 06 May 2015 14:27:13(UTC)
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RayRapp

I chose the last option as it seemed the most logical from a safety perspective. It reminds me of my theory test when I was passing out as a train driver. "In a tunnel section you are held at a junction by a red light when you realise your train is on fire - what do you do"? As you contemplate the examiner throws in - "smoke is now entering your cab." I answered, I would pass the red light and stop at the nearest station. Answer - there is no right or wrong answer apparently. Except doing nothing and being overcome with fumes.
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 06 May 2015 15:14:39(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As I said this is the least bad option. 1. Carry out an emergency stop Not a good answer because someone islikely to drive up your backside and you will be leaving a burning vehicle in the tunnel which means the tunnel authorities would have to close the tunnel and evacuate hundreds of people on foot- not a good scenario 2. Reverse out of the tunnel- the tunnels are one way so if you try to reverse out you will almost certainly cause a crash and they will have to close the tunnel and evacuate 3. Turn your vehicle around immediately-same as 2 4. Continue through the tunnel if you can-yes you might be on fire but you might be able to make it to the exit or at least the toll plaza where there is more space to park up safely. What are the other options? I can’t see any…
Ian Bell  
#11 Posted : 06 May 2015 15:26:03(UTC)
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Ian Bell

There might be no choice but to abandon the car where it comes to a halt, if the fire damages something vital to controlling /powering/driving the car etc.
jodieclark1510  
#12 Posted : 06 May 2015 15:35:12(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

I think the point being missed is "if you can". It is not saying for definite you must do this, but if able then it is advised- its about the safety of other road users as well- the smoke will be better able to lift outside than in a tunnel- helping with visibility and helping to avoid crashes etc. Theory tests are very other road user orientated now.
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 06 May 2015 17:01:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

There are many causes of and types of vehicle fires, including burning fuel being pumped via an operating fuel pump. To carry on driving in this scenario would put the vehicle occupants in grave danger where to stop the vehicle and swith off the ignition would stop the pump, may not stop a fuel leak however. If the fire involves a front engine vehicle just imagine the smoke entering the passenger compartment as the vehicle is driven forwards, not only hazardous to health but sure to impair visibility. I can see why people lean toward the safety of other tunnel users but the vehicle occupants may be in severe risk to their lives, a higher risk than other tunnel users. There may be a fuel leakage onto the roadway as well, could form a two mile skating rink. Stop the vehicle, Get out, stay out and call the brigade out is my advice. Unless Sly Stallone is in the vicinity, anyone see his film Daylight
chris.packham  
#14 Posted : 06 May 2015 21:23:33(UTC)
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chris.packham

Good to see the standard of the questions hasn't changed! I remember many, many years ago on taking my driving test I was asked: "You are driving down a country lane and rounding a bend on what side of the road would you expect to see cows being driven towards you?" Being a country dweller at the time I looked at the examiner and answered: "All across the road." He smiled and relied: "Not what is in the book, but I agree with you." I did actually pass! Chris
pete48  
#15 Posted : 06 May 2015 22:36:06(UTC)
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pete48

The knowledge and understanding section below the question says this:- "The main dangers in a tunnel fire are suffocation and smoke. If you can do so safely it’s better to drive a burning vehicle out of a tunnel. If you can’t do this, pull over, switch off the engine, use hazard warning lights and phone immediately for help. It may be possible to put out a small fire but if it seems large do NOT tackle it!" It feels right to me that the first choice would be to keep going if practical/safe to do so. As has been said, how far to the end, traffic density, speed of travel, what type and extent of fire etc are all part of that judgement are they not? Is there actually a one size fits all answer; is it always best to stop get out etc? I can think of one or two tunnels on the M25 where I would never want to stop unless there was really no option! That said I think the purpose of the question is simply to check that trainees can recognise the definite no brainers like reversing or turning round.
firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 07 May 2015 11:00:39(UTC)
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firesafety101

Pete I know those M25 tunnels and I would not recommend stopping in them as well. The "Birkenhead" Mersey Tunnel is more like Dartford but with 4 lanes of traffic, two each direction, with refuges on one side. If you pull over on the Liverpool direction side you have to cross three lanes to reach the refuge. The lanes are 9 ft wide so buses really fill them. In my experience at the early stage of a vehicle fire, and before the general public get to know the seriousness, they will continue driving past the scene. I would be interested if employers with driving employees who may drive through tunnels will be advised about how to react in such an event, or is it just left to their own judgement? By the way does anyone know why the older road tunnels have bends immediately before the exit? (Not a driving test question but interesting and definitely to do with safety).
westonphil  
#17 Posted : 07 May 2015 11:11:16(UTC)
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westonphil

I would press the button on the dashboard and out would pop an extinguisher and which would self operate and put out the fire. Following on from that I would accelerate to 200mph and catch the bad guy in front. Following on from that I would turn to the screen and say "The names Bond, James Bond". :-) Regards
A Kurdziel  
#18 Posted : 07 May 2015 11:24:35(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

FireSafety101 wrote:
... By the way does anyone know why the older road tunnels have bends immediately before the exit? (Not a driving test question but interesting and definitely to do with safety).
The older road tunnels (Rotherhithe for example) were intended for horse drawn vehicles and it was believed that the sudden appearance of daylight would frighten the horses.
firesafety101  
#19 Posted : 07 May 2015 14:02:36(UTC)
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firesafety101

A Kurdziel wrote:
FireSafety101 wrote:
... By the way does anyone know why the older road tunnels have bends immediately before the exit? (Not a driving test question but interesting and definitely to do with safety).
The older road tunnels (Rotherhithe for example) were intended for horse drawn vehicles and it was believed that the sudden appearance of daylight would frighten the horses.
Correct.
firesafety101  
#20 Posted : 07 May 2015 14:07:44(UTC)
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firesafety101

Some may remember some years ago (maybe 15?) there was a nifty invention made that automatically extinguished engine fires. It was a thin plastic pipe fixed under the bonnet and was connected to a BCF pressurised canister. The heat from a fire would melt the plastic pipe immediately above the fire and allow the extinguishing agent to escape directly onto the fire. Problem was BCF was about to be banned and the invention was lost. I did see it demonstrated though.
Hally  
#21 Posted : 07 May 2015 16:54:48(UTC)
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Hally

A Kurdziel wrote:
FireSafety101 wrote:
... By the way does anyone know why the older road tunnels have bends immediately before the exit? (Not a driving test question but interesting and definitely to do with safety).
The older road tunnels (Rotherhithe for example) were intended for horse drawn vehicles and it was believed that the sudden appearance of daylight would frighten the horses.
Aye, Birkenhead tunnel is similar but more so the natives of Wirral don't get frightened by daylight ;) (awaits comment from Mr 101 :P)
firesafety101  
#22 Posted : 07 May 2015 19:14:09(UTC)
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firesafety101

Hally lol The Birkenhead Tunnel is bent at the Liverpool end to avoid going underneath property with basements it travels under Dale Street to the Mersey, (as well as the horse thingy).
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