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Hi All
When running and moving & handling course what are your thoughts on hoisting attendees? My company have just decided not to allow participants to be hoisted during the training for insurance reasons.
I personally think it gives a great insight into what it is like to be a patient in a sling and also makes the training more realistic for those operating the hoist.
Thoughts?
Thanks
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I work for a care home insurer and so moving, handling and hoisting operations are something we are keen to see managed well. It is a constant source of claims.
I would certainly have no objections (or insurance reasons) to attendees being hoisted. They are undergoing training so fully covered by the EL cover.
Of course, there are some other things to consider like hoist test certificate and suitability of the sling. Also, some folks simply do no wish to be hoisted and it should not be forced on them.
Really it is no different to being the rescuee in rope access rescue training or the patient in first aid training.
If you have something in writing stating what these "insurance reasons" are, I'd be happy to comment by way of a PM.
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Defiantly use the attendees if they are happy to participate.
Being hoisted can be a daunting and frightening experience, its important that care workers get to be in the 'person being hoisted shoes' to fully appreciate how frightening it can be for them. If the training is conducted in this way not only are they trained in the equipment but also they can make it real, for example to constantly reassure the person being hoisted.
My advise to you is - change your insurer, if this is the real reason.
Point to note: In my view generic hoist training is not ideal but sometimes the most economic way to train. This training should be done with the supported person/patient on an individual bases as they are all different and use different types/style of equipment.
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Thanks for the responses.
I agree that it seems a great opportunity to give attendees a real feel of what it is like to be hoisted. I will investigate the reasons for not hoisting in more depth as the insurance reason seems questionable at best!.
Thanks
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From my experience in construction if a training company did not provide on hands training, i.e. operating a hoist, I would not consider it fit for purpose and will not accept it!
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I provide this training and I always hoist participants. Gives them the patient experience and builds confidence. I do the same for the evacuation chair which is fun!!!
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Have to agree here, every person handling course I've attended has done this and it is essential, and would absolutely agree with Toe that the most valuable thing is the insight it provides for the carers.
I've been pulled down two flights of stone stairs on a ski-pad in my time, that was surprisingly comfortable!
John
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