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sidestep45  
#1 Posted : 14 May 2015 14:36:34(UTC)
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sidestep45

While I hesitate to bring up the issue of competence cards for those in the construction industry and allied trades, I have got a question that reading the new CDM guidance has raised. In paragraph 163 it states "Sole reliance should not be placed on industry certification cards or similar being presented to them as evidence that a worker has the right qualities. Nationally recognised qualifications (such as National Vocational Qualifications (NVQs) and Scottish Vocational Qualifications (SVQs)) can provide contractors with assurance that the holder has the skills, knowledge, training and experience to carry out the task(s) for which they are appointed." Now CPCS requires operators transitioning to Blue cards from red cards to undertake a NVQ, NPORS I believe do not and while I understand this is guidance and not a strict legal requirement in the event of an accident will a card that only covers training ie an NPORS card or a red CPCS card be a sufficent proof of competence for an operator?
boblewis  
#2 Posted : 14 May 2015 15:02:39(UTC)
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boblewis

In spite of much drumbeating these cards never proved competence. Nothing has changed because competence is far wider than the mere holding of a card or even an NVQ. Individual experience, behaviour and fundamental skills also play a part in the mix. I always asked supervisors and managers to assess operative performance on an ongoing routine basis to ensure people were working in a manner expected of competent persons.
sidestep45  
#3 Posted : 14 May 2015 15:31:43(UTC)
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sidestep45

I was trying to avoid the are they suitable discussion and was framing the questuion soley in respect of the new CDM guidance
westonphil  
#4 Posted : 14 May 2015 20:51:58(UTC)
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westonphil

sidestep45 wrote:
While I hesitate to bring up the issue of competence cards for those in the construction industry and allied trades, I have got a question that reading the new CDM guidance has raised. In paragraph 163 it states "Sole reliance should not be placed on industry certification cards or similar being presented to them as evidence that a worker has the right qualities. Nationally recognised qualifications (such as National Vocational Qualifications (NVQs) and Scottish Vocational Qualifications (SVQs)) can provide contractors with assurance that the holder has the skills, knowledge, training and experience to carry out the task(s) for which they are appointed." Now CPCS requires operators transitioning to Blue cards from red cards to undertake a NVQ, NPORS I believe do not and while I understand this is guidance and not a strict legal requirement in the event of an accident will a card that only covers training ie an NPORS card or a red CPCS card be a sufficent proof of competence for an operator?
I would suggest that the HSE Guidance quoted answers the question, so far as is reasonably practicable. Other than that we will likely need to wait the outcome of a relevant court case. Regards
boblewis  
#5 Posted : 14 May 2015 22:21:23(UTC)
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boblewis

I thought it implicit in my reply that on their own they cannot be relied upon as real evidence of competence, whether for CDM15 or any other purpose.
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