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freelance safety  
#1 Posted : 13 May 2015 18:01:50(UTC)
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freelance safety

This thread follows on from a couple of others I’ve read recently. I was glad to hear some of the positives in terms of some of these SSIP schemes undertaking the correct and due diligent checks. I’ve been a great supporter of these however over the last few years I’ve had quite a few examples on a less than positive front including: CHaS – Was informed recently by a PC that I was representing a contractor they had contracted for a project, one that I’ve never even spoken to. I later found my name and details were used by CHaS as this companies competent advice. When I explained to CHaS I’d never heard of this company I was told to write in, which I did and absolutely nothing happened? After a few months I checked again to be told that they could not amend it as it had already been processed. It took numerous letters/ emails etc. over a period of several months before they actually did remove my details, worth noting that I did contact the company who had used my details prior to all of this to see if they needed any assistance to which I was very aggressively informed that they don’t bother with health and safety stuff! (stuff being a replacement word!). Safecontractor – had my name and company listed by a company who had phoned me and requested some marketing information about my company’s services. Again I only found out when they were in there second year on this SSIP scheme. Safecontractor did email me and eventually took action but said that the assessors are not technically qualified and they must have thought the paperwork was in order? This did worry me as I thought an SSIP assessor would do a reasonably thorough job when assessing? Today, had a conversation with Constructionline. They had a copy of my marketing profile that states the following in bold red writing, which cannot be missed “ PLESE READ: This is a private and confidential profile supplied by XXXXX Ltd. This profile does not confirm that any representation is made to act as competent person to any other third party by contract or statutory requirement. This document must not be copied; amended; distributed or supplied to any other third party whatsoever without the written permission of XXXXX Ltd. Use of this document in any legal claim or to gain business advantage is strictly prohibited. This consultant profile does not constitute any legally binding contract between XXXXXX Ltd and any other company or individual”. This was the only information they had regarding me and my company, according to their admin department I should deal with this with the applicant directly? As I stated to the chap I spoke to, this is your system and you should check the documents submitted. The reply that I was given is that they get very limited time to review submitted documents and if it kind of looks ok they pass it, their assessors would not understand anything technical including the above information (disclaimer) – REALLY…? So my reply was to ask as I had just phoned them I can now use their accreditation logo?... “erm, well no of course not, you are not a client of ours”. So if like me you provide marketing or maybe a free newsletter or have a website don’t be surprised if you / your company are listed on some SSIP Scheme for contractors you have never heard of. My view over the last few years is that this is getting more and more common, which strangely is what many of the SSIP schemes are saying, having spoken to them. The problem from my part is that sufficient checks are not always being made and I would question some of the assessors training in terms of competency. Taking another view-point maybe some form of standardisation is required from external health and safety consultants in terms of certificates/ contracts between them and their clients, I don’t know?
SallyOD  
#2 Posted : 20 May 2015 16:32:59(UTC)
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SallyOD

Wholeheartedly agree! SafeContractor have never contacted us to confirm that a Contractor is one of our Clients, only once in 10 years has a CHAS called, whereas SMAS have called several times! As advisors we have found our details on peoples websites and also had PCs stating we are representing a contractor and yet we have never heard of them and in some cases they have even been out of the County! We issue a certificate of retention to our clients with an expiry date on, and if they ask for our accreditations/qualifications/cv we put watermarks on with their company details and for "CHAS" purposes only. Other than that we don't know what else we could do, as we have to assume that the Assessors do checks, but most of them go by their own checklists! The whole system of SSIP assessment goes from one extreme to another depending on the assessors experience and "speciality" and some require documentation far in excess of what a typical under 5 company would be expected to have in place, even had one ask for copies of MOT for the works van!
Victor Meldrew  
#3 Posted : 20 May 2015 16:48:13(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Hi Freelance - same thing happened to me last Thursday morning..... and I've been retired for a while, which SafeContractor didn't believe until I asked them to view my website. They asked me to write in etc. etc. My response was to ask them to do me a favour ;-)
stevedm  
#4 Posted : 21 May 2015 06:44:08(UTC)
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stevedm

I work on both sides of the fence and always check with the safety advisor that he/she is still working with the client being assessed...
freelance safety  
#5 Posted : 24 May 2015 08:45:43(UTC)
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freelance safety

Hi Victor, it sort of makes a mockery of the whole process when the simple checks have not been suitably undertaken. When they have been made aware of the reality they then require someone else to do the chasing for them? Surely this is what they should have been doing in the first place…. lol
fscott  
#6 Posted : 25 May 2015 09:12:05(UTC)
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fscott

This is bonkers and as someone who is currently trying to complete an application to become SSIP approved to try to gain work from our local authorities it's quite concerning that we are trying to do everything by the book in relation to H&S and those we are up against are not. Surely a simple way of these companies ensuring that the named person is actually providing H&S advice is to ask for evidence - service level agreement, invoices, letter from competent person summarising the services they provide client with etc; it certainly shouldn't be as simple as them saying we use Joe Bloggs to provide us with competent health and safety advice.
walker  
#7 Posted : 26 May 2015 08:50:20(UTC)
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walker

I'm not surprised. However the services of any SSIP scheme is being paid for by someone on the assumption they are competently doing the checking on their behalf. Evidence offered here says that is not happening; I believe that amounts to fraud.
Victor Meldrew  
#8 Posted : 26 May 2015 20:31:08(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Freelance Safety wrote:
Hi Victor, it sort of makes a mockery of the whole process when the simple checks have not been suitably undertaken. When they have been made aware of the reality they then require someone else to do the chasing for them? Surely this is what they should have been doing in the first place…. lol
Pitiful when you think about it eh?
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