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clane  
#1 Posted : 02 June 2015 14:49:51(UTC)
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clane

I'm currently trying to reduce the flow rate of our LEV system to the minimum required flow rate standard under UK guidelines in order to reduce costs. Does anyone know where I can find information on such standards and regulatory requirements? Are the standards generic or does it depend on the type of contaminants? Cheers
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 02 June 2015 15:02:10(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The level of airflow will depend on all sorts of things. There are all sorts of LEV about including for example biosafety cabinets. Those are subject to an EN standard. For other materials it is really down to your risk assessment and taking into account the WEL for the substances you are dealing with. But remember for some substances there is a duty to reduce exposure to an absolute minimum practicable which would mean that the LEV would be expected to be running at full capacity. One question is how might reducing the airflow in your LEV save you money. The reduction in electric bills would be marginal. Is it more to do with reducing heat loss?
clane  
#3 Posted : 02 June 2015 15:12:42(UTC)
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clane

Our engineering dept are under pressure to reduce electricity costs so its interesting you say that savings would be marginal. The type of materials we use are 99% unharmful i.e (general dust, salt) with the exception of an orange flavouring ingredient. The level of risk is low hence the request to reduce the air flow of the LEV to as low a level as possible.
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 02 June 2015 15:33:06(UTC)
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David Bannister

The airflow of the LEV system will (should have) been set so that the most unfavourable extraction location will have sufficient flow to ensure that the contaminant is not only removed but remains airborne and transported all the way to the filters, with a sufficient margin to ensure that the system remains effective during its working life. The original design and installation specification should provide sufficient information for the engineers to make a judgement on whether you will be able to make any changes now, assuming they are competent in this area. Otherwise a specialist ventilation engineer's opinion should be sought.
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 02 June 2015 15:40:33(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Note that COSHH includes in its definition of harmful substances “which is dust of ANY kind, … when present at a concentration in air equal to or greater than i) 10 mg/m3, as a time-weighted average over an 8-hour period, of inhalable dust, or (ii) 4 mg/m3, as a timeweighted average over an 8-hour period, of respirable dust” So there is really no such thing as “harmless” dust.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2015 15:46:37(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

clane wrote:
The type of materials we use are 99% unharmful i.e (general dust,........
Please Note EH40: Dust 44 The COSHH definition of a substance hazardous to health includes dust of any kind when present at a concentration in air equal to or greater than 10 mg.m-3 8-hour TWA of inhalable dust or 4 mg.m-3 8-hour TWA of respirable dust. This means that any dust will be subject to COSHH if people are exposed above these levels.
James Robinson  
#7 Posted : 03 June 2015 16:19:14(UTC)
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James Robinson

As above, also, Please remember that a lot of "dusts", including food ingredients, are explosive under certain conditions (DSEAR). If you are in effect slowing down the LEV you are also slowing down the removal, you will as a consequence increase concentration - both in terms of CoSHH (where you should be trying to reduce to as low as you can) and DSEAR ( something may go bang). I would advise you go back to your LEV part 1 and 2 tests (these should state what air flow rates you need to remove the contaminants), and ask for some outside support if you are unclear. Maybe look at where else energy can be saved, rather than compromising a ventilation system that could affect peoples health, and the safety of the building.
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 03 June 2015 17:02:44(UTC)
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chris.packham

One factor to keep in mind is that it isn't just the flow rate that is important. Unless the design of the capture arrangement is correct the system simply will not work effectively, irrespective of the flow rate. I have seen systems where by redesigning the capture arrangement we were able to reduce the fan rating from 18 kW to 2.4 kW and still achieve a higher level of capture than was being achieved before. I always remember what the person who taught me what I know about LEV once said to me. "Chris, I don't make my money designing new LEV systems. I make it putting right other's systems that could never work!" I have had situations where the client has had the LEV systems tested and they are all achieving the flow rate specified, i.e. performance was to spec. However, a simple smoke test showed that they were not effective at removing the contamination. Performance OK, effectiveness not! If you wish to modify the flow rate, get yourself a simple smoke tube system with which you can very simply check effectiveness. Chris
clane  
#9 Posted : 04 June 2015 11:29:51(UTC)
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clane

Thank you guys, All extremely valid points which I will take on board and pass on to the engineering dept. Considering what's been suggested, it might be best to go back to the drawing board and re-design the current LEV system in place or possibly replace with a new one, especially if effectiveness has been compromised and a new system would save more money in the long run. Cheers
PeteCharlesworth  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2015 15:49:59(UTC)
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PeteCharlesworth

i totally agree with Chris Packam surprised no one has mentioned controlling airborne contaminants at work http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/books/hsg258.htm
descarte8  
#11 Posted : 22 June 2015 11:21:43(UTC)
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descarte8

Dont just consider your capture velocity, reduced extraction will also affect the duct volcities which could potentially lead deposition / settling and blocking of your duct work.
IanDakin  
#12 Posted : 22 June 2015 14:07:56(UTC)
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IanDakin

The smoke test is a good idea, but may not be relevant to chemicals heavier or lighter than smoke. You need to ensure the correct velocity at the edge of the LEV if it is a large hood.
JohnW  
#13 Posted : 22 June 2015 14:22:05(UTC)
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JohnW

clane wrote:
I'm currently trying to reduce the flow rate of our LEV system to the minimum required flow rate standard under UK guidelines in order to reduce costs. Does anyone know where I can find information on such standards and regulatory requirements? Are the standards generic or does it depend on the type of contaminants?
clane, If you regularly have your LEV inspected by a third-party engineering contractor they will advise you on their understanding of the regulations and what they think the flow rates should be. Have a look at the reports they give you, there may be references there. John
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