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jsnorman  
#1 Posted : 03 June 2015 10:41:40(UTC)
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jsnorman

So hypothetical situation... A customer requires a way of moving beer barrells down a windy narrow set of wooden steps. They can't eliminate the task because there is no way of getting them down the stairs by way of a lift for example - but for business reasons the barrells must be somehow put down there. They can't use a mechanical aid such as a stair climber sack barrow...as the steps are too narrow / windy to safely manoeuvre it down them. Team lifting can't be done due to the stairs not being wide enough - and there is a risk of one person dropping the barrell and it falling onto the other causing an injury. What's the next risk control that could be used - to safely get it down there using one person? Provide PPE / Training? Any better ideas? PPE and training does not in my opinon sound adequate enough to prevent a Manual Handling type injury of a task that would be completed fairly often each week....
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 03 June 2015 11:13:34(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

smaller barrels ?
stonecold  
#3 Posted : 03 June 2015 11:27:08(UTC)
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stonecold

As above plus Cellar hoists? Kegs can weigh between around 25 and 60 kgs plus. So defo would explore mechanized options if possible.
kevkel  
#4 Posted : 03 June 2015 11:35:19(UTC)
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kevkel

I would be looking at some form of tail lift mechanism that could be installed and stored safely and neatly wwhen not in use. Another idea might be a tripod and winch?
stonecold  
#5 Posted : 03 June 2015 11:48:03(UTC)
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stonecold

You can also get portable slides/ barrel chutes which can be used on stairs. Not sure as that would be an option though as you say windy stairs?
James Robinson  
#6 Posted : 03 June 2015 12:06:43(UTC)
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James Robinson

Friday Answer Empty keg first (drink). You can get most kegs deliverd in smaller capacities - 11 gallons rather than 22 gallons in old money. Also as others have said, you can get temporary stair guides fitted. I do notice you say for "business reasons" - just make sure that the "reason" is robust enough, and the customer is not just avoiding using or investing in a better solution.
Ian Bell  
#7 Posted : 03 June 2015 12:31:36(UTC)
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Ian Bell

Process engineering answer. Leave the barrels outside, install pipework/pumps/NRVs etc and pump down to a different barrel already in the cellar. Lots of HAZOPs, SIL assessments = lots of £££ Best answer drink it before the need to put barrels in cellar. Whats the point in posting hypothetical threads.... don't get it, myself
ExDeeps  
#8 Posted : 03 June 2015 13:05:54(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Hypothetically, and assuming the stairs are not too windy, attach two lengths of rope or similar, twice the length of the stairs, to the top stair. Place barrel at top of stairs with ropes behind the barrel then led away from the stairs (I.e. wrapped around the barrel 1/2 a turn). Push barrel carefully over the edge while controlling the ,load and taking the tension on the ropes. "Lower away handsomely" as we used to say in the Navy, keeping all persons above the load, and effectively using a very simple 2 to 1 lever to take the strain and control speed etc. Once barrels are empty, and assuming they are still too heavy, reverse the procedure. Or drink the beer and roll empty barrels down under gravity.
chris42  
#9 Posted : 03 June 2015 15:57:02(UTC)
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chris42

Don't they do light or lite beers now :0) Ok ok My first thought would have been the winch and sled type response as above. But to be different, could you have a overhead rail and basket / harness system ? Chris
Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2015 15:36:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Deliveries would be best planned for a Bank Holiday weekend. Best to transfer the barrels via the lift of the building next door. From there, its a relatively simple matter to core through the wall of the cellar until you have an aperture large enough to pass the barrels through. Do keep a look-out for the rozzers though, and remember to disable the alarm systems. And if you do happen to come across the odd safe deposit box, remember to take that with you as you leave. Speaking hypothetically of course...........................
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