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I would clarification on training, I am classed as a professional, can I therefore deliver manual handling training and working at height training, given to the personnel in the form of tool box talks and team briefing sessions, would this be classed as receiving training in both instances? advice/comments welcome
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Are you competent in these topics - theoretical and practical aspects?
Do you have a training/teaching qualification?
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I would consider myself competent as I studies these subjects while doing my degree at uni i am also an approved trainer for SHEA gas passport, does that answer the question?
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LATCHY wrote:I would clarification on training, I am classed as a professional, can I therefore deliver manual handling training and working at height training, given to the personnel in the form of tool box talks and team briefing sessions, would this be classed as receiving training in both instances? advice/comments welcome
I would like to have some solid confirmation on that too. A lot say no as its not formal accredited training, and there is the debate on knowledge levels also, but i feel you (I/ everyone) know your company best, the way in which the company works, the equipment used and can adjust to suit the company needs.
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Its up to you to justify your own competence, if its ever queried and/or tested - especially in Court.
Competence to some extent is a matter of opinion.
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I totally agree with that, but on my way to becoming HSE I have seen, given talked about these subjects so many times over the years it becomes second nature and the knowledge is there but as stated I can not give a formal qualification, does the piece of paper proof that it has been received/or delivered better?
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Just from your original post I would say yes.
However Toolbox talks and team briefings may mean different things to different people. If you have provided appropriate information and physical training as necessary to convey the correct way these things should be done, then yes. Being able to prove what you have taught would be an obvious advantage.
People have been training others for years without formal qualifications, and at the end of the day does it matter provided the intended person understands. I bet there are a number of very good trainers out there without formal qualifications.
I'm very sure others will disagree, so this is just IMHO.
Chris
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You are more than likely competent to deliver this training but without the pieces of paper you might be challenged. Of just cos you have the pieces of paper does not mean that you are competent. You should always be prepared to defend your competence.
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So when does a job briefing/tool box talk become 'training'?
As with others, lots of nonsense is talked about training.
Unless there is a statutory requirement for certain academic levels/training courses attended etc - then as previous, training competence is a matter of opinion.
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Has competence ever been proven in a court of law? I would deem you competent if you had the relevant experience and knowledge. Couple that with an instructional/trainer qualification then you should not be queried.
On the toolbox talk issue I would call this informal training. Its a set talk which in my company I put together and is delivered by supervisors. Not ideal but as I say I use it as an informal training/awareness issue. If I deem the subject needs a certain degree of knowledge to carry out safely then I see it as a training need. For eg: I would give a 3hr refresher on Manual Handling. This includes an written exam and practical. I also have a toolbox talk done up on Manual Handling which serves to remind guys of best practices and the training. Same goes for a lot of risks.
IMO opinion there are certain risk areas which you must address in your workplace, not all can or need to be certified by a certification body for training in that risk.
For example how do you get certified for working at height training? But you can be certified through IPAF in the UK for MEWP or Harness training?
Hope this helps.
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