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RayRapp  
#1 Posted : 04 June 2015 11:43:54(UTC)
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RayRapp

In my experience the company who erects a scaffold will also provide someone to inspect the scaffold every 7 days. Is it acceptable for the PC's supervisor to sign off the scaffold inspection, even if he has scaffold training?
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Bella Winslet on 18/01/2017(UTC)
Lawlee45239  
#2 Posted : 04 June 2015 11:59:27(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

RayRapp wrote:
In my experience the company who erects a scaffold will also provide someone to inspect the scaffold every 7 days. Is it acceptable for the PC's supervisor to sign off the scaffold inspection, even if he has scaffold training?
Double check with the contract with the scaffold company, and your insurances
alan w houghton  
#3 Posted : 04 June 2015 11:59:29(UTC)
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alan w houghton

If its a simple scaffold for example hand rails and a haki staircase I allow our trained CISRS card holders in basic scaffolding to sign off However if it is more complicated scaffolding I leave to the professionals
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 04 June 2015 12:19:42(UTC)
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RayRapp

Scaffolding to semi-detached house for roof work - I would not describe that as simple. I can of course ask the scaffolding company but would rather get some views from colleagues first. Thanks for your comments so far.
Alfasev  
#5 Posted : 04 June 2015 12:53:34(UTC)
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Alfasev

A lot of PCs are going down this line, training their supervisors up to inspect the scaffolding to save time and money. It is acceptable but there are positive and negative aspects to this approach. Scaffolding to a terrace house is likely to be a to standardised design and be able to be erected by a trained and competent scaffolder, and can be inspected by a trained supervisor. NASC produce the standardised design. Please refer to https://www.nasc.org.uk As mentioned bespoke designed scaffolding is a different matter.
peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 04 June 2015 12:57:43(UTC)
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peter gotch

Ray Scaffolding to provide access and roof edge protection to a typical semi is in my book simple! I'd expect a SMSTS trained site agent or foreman who has been on a scaffold inspection course to be able to do the weekly inspections, subject also to the assumption that if the scaffold is made up of proprietary "system scaffold" components they are also armed with a copy of the manufacturer's recommendations e.g. as regards more ties, less (usually no) cross-bracing. I would doubt that the same person would be competent to do the inspections of a substantial slung scaffold
JohnW  
#7 Posted : 04 June 2015 13:41:03(UTC)
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JohnW

Ray, In my consultancy work I work with house-builders, new and refurbishment jobs. Due to my experience dealing with very poorly managed scaffolding companies I never allow the scaffolding company only to do the inspections. I always make it clear during the planning stage that I will personally inspect the scaffolding, first if possible during the erection, then with the scaffolder when we expect to do the hand-over, and then I do the weekly checks, publish an inspection report updated weekly, and I sign the scaff-tags. I'm protecting myself as much as anyone else :0) John
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 04 June 2015 14:41:33(UTC)
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RayRapp

Peter, I was responding to the previous post re hand rails and haki staircase...but point taken. Clearly I'm a bit out of my depth with this aspect of building work. I was thinking from the scaffolder's perspective, would they be happy for someone else to inspect and sign off their scaffolding? It seems so and this not uncommon practice. I fully understand the cost saving element. I have 'inspected' scaffolding on projects but with my limited knowledge of scaffolds it has been access/egress, debris netting in place, etc. I would expect someone who does a statutory inspection to far more competent than me. I was initially concerned when there was no scafftag in situ. Upon my query I was advised that a register is kept which was also provided electronically as evidence. I accept there is no legal requirement for a scafftag, but I have requested in future a scafftag is used. PC not happy...not here to make people happy! Lol.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 04 June 2015 16:51:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The approach will depend to a great extent on the relationship and degree of trust and rapport with the scaffold company. Dodgy wooden ladders, boards with saw cuts and splits, lack of ties, fake ties, inappropriate rakers, damaged or buckled sole plates, inappropriate gap between platform and structure, etc. It's your workplace - I'd take a keen interest in the safety and integrity of it. It's amazing what some subbies are more than happy to sign-off if you leave them to it.
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AllanFS  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2015 21:26:06(UTC)
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AllanFS

Hello RayRapp Being a Ex-Scaff / Advanced Scaff Inspector to trade here's a few pointers to note. Before the contract begins with the Scaffold company discuss the inspection arrangements. The said company will charge a price of course to employ a "Tagman" (Scaffold Inspector) to obviously inspect your structure. If this is the case a good company will keep a Scaffold register with inspection report for each scaffold. The report must be made available within 24 Hours after the inspection to the client for their records as per WAH Regs schedule 7. Inspection competency is usually a ticketed person with the relevant scaffold inspection card or a CISRS Scaffolder. However judging competency in this scenario can be an issue. To be on the Safe Side neither get trained on the inspection course or hand it to the Scaffold Company. You mentioned the structure is around a Semi. Be aware that various scaffold street firms quality & safety is questionable compared to Site work. Walk by various scaffolds round houses & you will observe various non-compliances with Guidance TG:20. Any issues please PM for guidance. Regards Allan
RayRapp  
#11 Posted : 05 June 2015 08:40:50(UTC)
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RayRapp

Thanks Ron/Allan, your advice is much appreciated. Every day is a school day. :)
allanwood  
#12 Posted : 05 June 2015 10:42:58(UTC)
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allanwood

From my experience getting the scaffolder to inspect the scaffolding is like putting the "fox in charge of the hen house!" either get your guys trained (CISRS) in scaffold inspection and get them to do the inspections or bring someone in whom is completely independant from the scaffolders to undertake the inpsections. allan
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