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Hello, I'm sure this has been asked before, but I cant find any threads on this topic.
My company requires all its staff that work on the highway to wear full hi vis including trousers. The vast majority of staff are happy and do not complain. However, 2 members of staff have brought in letters from their GPs stating that they cannot wear Hi Vis trousers as they get too hot and should be allowed to wear shorts.
The reason they are in high vis is because they are on the road side and there are risks of items striking their legs.
My question is, what high vis trousers do others wear in the hot summer weather?? Or how do others manage this issue??
Many Thanks.
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Carrie
I think you are mixing up two hazards/risks here. High vis is needed for visability not phyical protection, what are you actualy trying to protect them from? Safet cloathing companies offer high vis shorts which may provide the visibility but clearly would offer no phyical protection below the knee.
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Sorry forgot to spell check! Where's that edit button?
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I had similar issues a while back. Hi-vis does inhibit sweating because of what it is made of and can make operatives hot. We did look at other makes but at the time they were all the same.
We only had a requirement for hi-vis trousers if they were doing the traffic management or working in a live traffic area and not in the coned off working area. We did ban shorts but normal work trousers would offer the same protection against items striking their legs. I believe the requirement of Safety at Street Works and Road Works A Code of Practice is for upper body hi-vis but think there are best practice guides produced by the Highway Agency or BSi that advice whole body hi-vis. It does depend on the risks.
You could also engage your own occupational health professional, normally another doctor to question the decision of their GP.
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It really does not matter what their GP says, if it's a company policy to wear full hi-vis then that's the end of it. The requirement for full yellow (or orange if working on the railway) is dictated by risk assessment - or it should be. Unfortunately no one has been able to find an argument that less luminosity is safer than more when it comes to PPE.
I do have a lot of sympathy for these guys especially in hot weather, wearing hi vis, hard hat, gloves, goggles, etc is no fun.
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There are many types of hi-vis fabrics available these days with varying levels of 'breathability' - to help the comfort of the wearer - some are better than others, some are more expensive than others.
From what I can gather from your scenario if they are working road side (combined with airborne debris) then they should be wearing full hi-vis. Supplying them with something of comfort then becomes a more cloudy area.
If they are wearing hivis that turn out to be nothing more than sweat bags I can sympatise with them. If you are supplying with top end Gore-Tex (or equivalent) then I'm not sure what else you can be expected to do.
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And of course if you wear shorts in sunny weather you are more likely to get sun burn so more likely to get skin cancer
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Construction workers in very hot countries wear full PPE, including trousers and sleeves, head /neck covers and hard hats.
Very high temperatures.
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Unfortunately FireSafety101, the Qatar death rate from heart attack indicate there are issues with heat.
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Alfasev wrote:Unfortunately FireSafety101, the Qatar death rate from heart attack indicate there are issues with heat. Having been a firefighter for 25 years I am very familiar with the issues around heat. I did actually have one of my crew experience a heart attack while ventilating a first floor room heavily smokelogged. That was not caused by the heat but brought on by the stresses of firefighting
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A Kurdziel wrote:And of course if you wear shorts in sunny weather you are more likely to get sun burn so more likely to get skin cancer God forbid anyone should get sunburn from wearing shorts. Whatever happened to sun cream.
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RayRapp wrote: God forbid anyone should get sunburn from wearing shorts. Whatever happened to sun cream. Does the employer supply the sun cream as a PPE requirement. Where would you draw the line? then employees may demand sunglasses be supplied as well. Mike
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What about hi vis cotton cargo pants? These might be more comfortable as they allow for sweating and it is similar to any other summer trousers one might wear.
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mike52 wrote:RayRapp wrote: God forbid anyone should get sunburn from wearing shorts. Whatever happened to sun cream. Does the employer supply the sun cream as a PPE requirement. Where would you draw the line? then employees may demand sunglasses be supplied as well. Mike Most employers forbid the wearing of shorts for all sorts of reasons so it is not really an issue. As for sun cream, some employers provide it as PPE and some don't. There have been long discussions on here about this subject. I'm in the No camp. If it's hot, which is rare in this country, then people should make reasonable arrangements to protect themselves - nannying workers is not what I'm about. Indeed I play a lot of golf and on a sunny day you will see golfers wearing shorts and polo shirts, somehow they manage to survive. You will alos see people on the beach enjoying themselves - no first aid kit in sight.
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Excellent points above - just a quick extra bit of info:
To do its job, high-vis clothing needs to be noticeable. The way this is managed is by ensuring enough of it is visible to those you want to take preventative action (drivers in this case).
Specifically on highways, the reason people wear high-vis trousers is that their upper body may be obscured when carrying signs, cones, etc and therefore not enough area of high-vis remains visible to protect them.
Someone carrying signs is likely to obscure the same area covered by shorts, therefore that's why this wouldn't be possible. The high-vis trousers I've worn have been pretty roomy about the legs - definitely not even close to being the most uncomfortable to wear for a hot day.
If you're NOT carrying items which obscure your upper body, then upper-body high-vis alone can be provided which meets the standard required, but because this isn't always likely a blanket adoption of trousers is usually the done thing.
Good luck!
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You brought the subject of hot countries up!
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Hi all, Thanks for your comments.
Just for clarity Im not meaning the heat of Qatar, Im just talking about the heat of (sometimes) sunny Berkshire. So not quite as extreme, but seeminly hot enouugh for some staff to go home sick from heat exhaustion apparently.
I think I will do some shopping around and see what is available on the market.
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the fundamental problem is that no adjustments are made for very hot, humid or cold weather in the UK e.g. people could start work earlier/later to avoid the heat etc. and employers only want to supply the cheapest kit that they can get away with so properly breathable kit is usually out as is proper welfare and breaks e.g. I worked in Layland [Lancs] some years ago during a very very cold winter with a German and Italian crew working along side us and both those nationalities had proper gear, welfare and working systems whereas we had the usual and things have not changed
Evaluate the whole work situation and current up to date research etc. and present your case to management and that is all U can do. Thereafter HR and production should manage
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mike52 wrote:RayRapp wrote: God forbid anyone should get sunburn from wearing shorts. Whatever happened to sun cream. Does the employer supply the sun cream as a PPE requirement. Where would you draw the line? then employees may demand sunglasses be supplied as well. Mike Could be.... see http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg337.pdf. Skin cancer is increasing and it down to more people being out in the sun. A significant proportion of this must be work related. This could be the asbestos of the 21st century.
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Whilst there may be a company policy/ RA in place to ensure all employees where the appropriate PPE which is great. You are then left with managing the exposure to the elements.heat. This means ou may have to consider a heat stress index. If its an exceptionally hot day you may have to provide more drinking water on site, work two hours on one hour off, rest individuals in air conditioned rooms, work later into the evening or earlier in the morning when its cooler. By doing this your effectively managing and reducing risk.
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