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Has anyone completed the online test yet?
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Well I haven't but what is the exam for?
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Let us not forget the APS reinvented themselves as the Association of Project Safety in 2007 and many still regard themselves as the prime H&S experts in construction. This is their version of the CDM2015 awareness course - I hate that awareness word - what does it really mean.
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Cheers Bob.
I remember they were originally Planning Supervisors, then CDC coordinators but do they still have a role? Both did have duties under CDM.
There are CDM Consultants now, are they the same people and do they have any integral part to play?
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I have sat the exam and passed it. My advice is to know the regulations and guidance documents very well, and have them at hand. The exam does test your knowledge of the regulations but I had no questions about design risks! There is the odd question and about 1/3 of the questions are about general construction health and safety. You do have plenty of time to look things up via the internet or text books.
If the APS are to have a future I think they need to offer chartership status for construction health & safety professionals and engage with the professional design institutes.
CMIOSH is great but I find there are people with CMIOSH status involved in construction that lack the understanding and technical knowledge of the industry.
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Alfasev wrote:I have sat the exam and passed it. My advice is to know the regulations and guidance documents very well, and have them at hand. The exam does test your knowledge of the regulations but I had no questions about design risks! There is the odd question and about 1/3 of the questions are about general construction health and safety. You do have plenty of time to look things up via the internet or text books.
If the APS are to have a future I think they need to offer chartership status for construction health & safety professionals and engage with the professional design institutes.
CMIOSH is great but I find there are people with CMIOSH status involved in construction that lack the understanding and technical knowledge of the industry.
No CMIOSH should be operating unsupervised in an area for which they lack understanding and technical knowledge - FULL STOP. If you have such evidence and are an IOSH member you must make them aware at The Grange. Some years ago I tried to float the idea that members of IOSH operating in construction should clearly register this fact and included construction matters in their CPD - it was stonewalled because use of the APS register was thought to be the route to go. There being members with some split loyalties in my personal view. I still believe that CPD should be improved to require members to show CPD in any specialist areas they operate.
APS have been trying to Piggy back onto already chartered institutions for some years in order to try and gain professional credibility BUT at the end of the day only IOSH has achieved chartered status for its members. According to the Privy Council it is THE Chartered Professional Body for Safety Practitioners, including those operating in construction.
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Boblewis,
You have over interpreted my post, involvement does not equate to incompetence.
I am aware of who can offer chartered status and that the APS is not one of them. They can however go through the due process that will eventually allow them to do so. I know this is something they looked at but have not progressed.
With regards to credibility, the APS do struggle outside CDM but IOSH struggle within construction which gave rise to the APS. I am a supporter of IOSH as a much higher competency level is required. There is a lot more IOSH could do but the discussion was about the APS.
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Just completed my conversion exam,happy to say I got a pass. Lots of general health and Safety questions (about ten) and lots of flicking through the L153 for answers. Still not convinced the APS have a role to play,I am giving it until October and will make a decision to renew or move on!
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FireSafety101 wrote:Well I haven't but what is the exam for?
Ditto: Who and what is this (open book) exam intended for? The APS site doesn't offer much in the way of explanation (although in fairness I didn't log in)
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Ron Hunter wrote:FireSafety101 wrote:Well I haven't but what is the exam for?
Ditto: Who and what is this (open book) exam intended for? The APS site doesn't offer much in the way of explanation (although in fairness I didn't log in)
Anyone that wants to retain a particular set of post-nominals after October this year.
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we have created a CDM2015 On-line “transfer” Examination for existing Registered Members to take in order to demonstrate their knowledge and understanding of the new CDM Regulations and other important construction health and safety issues. This is part of the commitment to raising the standards of our Registered Members and making the move from a being Registered CDM Coordinator, Construction Safety Practitioner or Designer under CDM2007 to a Registered Member of APS under CDM2015 (RMaPS2015).
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All existing Registered Members and Registered Fellows are required to undertake the CDM2015 Online Examination by no later than 6th October 2015 if they wish to remain as a Registered Member of APS.
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Alfasev wrote:Boblewis,
You have over interpreted my post, involvement does not equate to incompetence.
I am aware of who can offer chartered status and that the APS is not one of them. They can however go through the due process that will eventually allow them to do so. I know this is something they looked at but have not progressed.
With regards to credibility, the APS do struggle outside CDM but IOSH struggle within construction which gave rise to the APS. I am a supporter of IOSH as a much higher competency level is required. There is a lot more IOSH could do but the discussion was about the APS.
I was trying to open up the discussion with a little critical examination of the position. The reason IOSH seems to struggle in construction is that many more generalist members are getting involved in construction and are not recognising the very real specialisms that are necessary to fulfil the role properly. APS is troubled in my view in that their true emphasis is with the CDM regulations and their application rather than H&S. To move into the H&S are fully they will come into collision with he Privy Council view of the position of IOSH
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If I read the above posts right I could take the exam and end up with RMaPS2015.
I may give it a try.
Wouldn't make me competent in some areas though.
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It proves you know the 2015 regs and some basic safety. It also gives some letters if you join their register
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Ahar Bob that's where they get you. Money to pay for joining the register and using the letters.
I wonder what would happen if no one did join?
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As I said above that was the IOSH Construction Group solution instead of IOSH creating a register of recognised construction members monitored via the CPD.
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I did not renew my APS membership after reading the December edition of APS Digest as I felt that the organisation were not giving me an honest and objective account of the CDM changes.
In terms of APS Chartered Membership, that is only going to happen if the Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner is shared amount other professional organisation, or there is unique professional reason for this.
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FireSafety101 wrote:If I read the above posts right I could take the exam and end up with RMaPS2015.
Not unless you where previously a registered member. You could always apply to be a registered member but you would need to demonstrate construction background, qualifications experience etc in order to get this.
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Ahar Bob that's where they get you. Money to pay for joining the register and using the letters.
Like OSHCR yes.
I wonder what would happen if no one did join?
The same as would happen to any other organisation if no-one joined I would imagine.
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Hi
I am CMIOSH, MCIOB and CEnv and manage a Construction Health and Safety Consultancy was asked this year by APS to give evidence of my CPD. I passed evidence of this from IOSH and the CIOB and was advised this was satisfactory. I have been informed that I still need to sit the APS exam before October 2015.
although I have been a member of APS for many years, I have never used the designated letters and have never been asked for evidence of this by my clients. with this in mind, I may well not join again as I see no benefit.
In my view, an online 'open book' exam does not prove any competence in construction health and safety, it is just a time consuming exercise. if I had two hours spare, I would rather play golf!
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So this exam allows to look up answers in PDFs that you have downloaded. And if you have never ever been on a construction site, never climbed a ladder to get on a scaffold, never been on a flat roof .......... You can pass?
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I have been RMAPS since 2008 - and to be honest have seen little benefit from holding the accreditation, Now that the CDM 15 Regulations are in place I see no reason whatsoever to sit an APS exam to obtain a new designation. As far as I can see, there are no parts in the regulations that request a CDM Adviser.
Plus if you fail the exam or do not take it, your designation drops from RMAPS (now IMAPS) to AaPS - despite once holding RMAPS status - the APS state the following - AaPS - Associates who have not passed the exam are not deemed to be credited to undertake CDM15 duties. That is their opinion but I have not had a memory dump since the regs changed despite what the APS say and consider myself more than capable to advise on construction.
When the regs required a CDM-C I could see the benefit in the APS membership, now I see no benefit to me and my work or knowledge has not decreased because of an exam.
ps in the 7 years of membership with the APS, I was never requested to complete CPD to maintain my membership - unlike I to maintain my CMIOSH status with IOSH - plus I am aware of people working in groups to pass the exam.
My thoughts are that the APS will have lost members when the regs changed and I am now £140+ better off.
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There doesn't seem much point to the existence of APS now that the Planning Supervisor and CDM-C roles have gone in my opinion. It would be better to look at having a construction specific element to a specific IOSH membership level. I used to be MaPS in bygone times and am currently still CMIOSH-I know which one I value more.
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I got the obligatory email from them "if you don't take the exam we'll downgrade you to affiliate" (or something)
My response was to tell them to stick their membership where the sun don't shine!!
What use are they anyway??
Oh Merry Christmas
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