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Andy Smith 83  
#1 Posted : 21 June 2015 07:48:15(UTC)
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Andy Smith 83

Folks,

Looking for a bit of advice, if someone attends the Medic but no treatment is administered, does this go down as a First Aid Case or nothing at all?

Basically the worker sustained a minor graze to his head as his hard hat fell off he raised his head and grazed it against a manway.

Any advice / opinions much appreciated.
Ian A-H  
#2 Posted : 21 June 2015 09:43:07(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Perhaps not a "First Aid Case", but it's an injury (however minor) so should be recorded.

Why did hid hat fall off? Is there a need for chin straps? Or different hats? Remember Heinrich’s triangle.

Ian
jodieclark1510  
#3 Posted : 21 June 2015 14:02:01(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Not a first aid case but would still record it as they still initially went to the medic.
jay  
#4 Posted : 22 June 2015 10:08:53(UTC)
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jay

I presume that you are referring to OSHA First Aid Case criteria that are typically used by most Oil & Gas/ Downstream majors?


OSHA First Aid Case criteria are prescriptive, refer to the link below, and scroll down until you come to the question, "What is "first aid"? " :-

https://www.osha.gov/pls...=STANDARDS&p_id=9638


What is "first aid"? For the purposes of Part 1904, "first aid" means the following:

#Using a non-prescription medication at nonprescription strength (for medications available in both prescription and non-prescription form, a recommendation by a physician or other licensed health care professional to use a non-prescription medication at prescription strength is considered medical treatment for recordkeeping purposes);



#Administering tetanus immunizations (other immunizations, such as Hepatitis B vaccine or rabies vaccine, are considered medical treatment);


#Cleaning, flushing or soaking wounds on the surface of the skin;


#Using wound coverings such as bandages, Band-Aids™, gauze pads, etc.; or using butterfly bandages or Steri-Strips™ (other wound closing devices such as sutures, staples, etc., are considered medical treatment);


#Using hot or cold therapy;


#Using any non-rigid means of support, such as elastic bandages, wraps, non-rigid back belts, etc. (devices with rigid stays or other systems designed to immobilize parts of the body are considered medical treatment for recordkeeping purposes);


#Using temporary immobilization devices while transporting an accident victim (e.g., splints, slings, neck collars, back boards, etc.).


#Drilling of a fingernail or toenail to relieve pressure, or draining fluid from a blister;


#Using eye patches;


#Removing foreign bodies from the eye using only irrigation or a cotton swab;


#Removing splinters or foreign material from areas other than the eye by irrigation, tweezers, cotton swabs or other simple means;


#Using finger guards;


#Using massages (physical therapy or chiropractic treatment are considered medical treatment for recordkeeping purposes); or


#Drinking fluids for relief of heat stress.


Are any other procedures included in first aid?
No, this is a complete list of all treatments considered first aid for Part 1904 purposes.


Does the professional status of the person providing the treatment have any effect on what is considered first aid or medical treatment?
No, OSHA considers the treatments listed in § 1904.7(b)(5)(ii) of this Part to be first aid regardless of the professional status of the person providing the treatment. Even when these treatments are provided by a physician or other licensed health care professional, they are considered first aid for the purposes of Part 1904. Similarly, OSHA considers treatment beyond first aid to be medical treatment even when it is provided by someone other than a physician or other licensed health care professional.
jay  
#5 Posted : 22 June 2015 10:17:48(UTC)
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jay

Therefore if NOTHING was done by the medic, as per OSHA definition etc, it would not count as a "first-aid".

We also use OSHA recording criteria for oyur internal reporting systems, and if such an event occured on our site, and a first-aider attended, but there was no first aid treatment ( which is rare) we would record it in our internal "system" as a near miss and investgate is proportionately.
Andy Smith 83  
#6 Posted : 22 July 2015 21:11:25(UTC)
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Andy Smith 83

Thanks for the advice folks, we documented it as a minor FAC as the injury occurred at work. One of these grey areas I suppose!

Thanks again
stevedm  
#7 Posted : 23 July 2015 07:03:32(UTC)
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stevedm

http://www.ogp.org.uk/pubs/444.pdf

I follow the OGP guidance...there are always Grey areas tho' see Appendix 3 I think for the definitions which includes OSHA..

Medic recoding my be different as long as I record no Treatment given it goes down as an 'event' ...

Hope this helps.. :)
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