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Russ1977  
#1 Posted : 23 June 2015 10:22:26(UTC)
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Russ1977

Hi all, Would just like to gage opinion on what you think the biggest impact the DSE regs can have on managers. Thanks
Graham  
#2 Posted : 23 June 2015 10:29:29(UTC)
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Graham

These regs irritate them because the regs apply to them, and they have to do something themselves rather that delegating safety down the line :-). People then see that the managers are not setting up their desks correctly. (FYI this is semi tongue in cheek) Graham.
aud  
#3 Posted : 23 June 2015 11:56:33(UTC)
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aud

My view is they are a problem for managers because they tend to approached in a mechanistic and rather pointless way (fill in a checklist). It all seems very bureaucratic and time consuming for little obvious benefit. Predominantly biggest issue is when people complain of a problem, or want/need a specific bit of kit. The manager is often stumped by the effort of sorting this out. More forms to fill in etc. If there is a hint that the problem is medical (aches & pains, 'back condition') there is often limited support - any SA support may feel it is beyond them (medical), OH say 'assess the workstation' (safety) who then pass it back to managers, and it all becomes circular and difficult. It's hard to argue that "I don't know anything about it" when managers have both a body, and a DSE workstation - the two main components involved. And it's hard to be motivated about the regs, as the consequences of not bothering are almost invisible, so high effort, low benefit.
Des.Neil  
#4 Posted : 23 June 2015 13:20:26(UTC)
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Des.Neil

In my experience most see it as a box ticking exercise unless they have first hand experience of an injury sustained directly from an ergonomic issue. I try to work the DSE assessment into the office ergonomics training, the thought being that if the potential consequences of a poorly managed work station are fresh in the mind they may, and I say May, see value in the assessment. Good luck!
mikecarr  
#5 Posted : 23 June 2015 15:00:17(UTC)
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mikecarr

russ1977 wrote:
Hi all, Would just like to gage opinion on what you think the biggest impact the DSE regs can have on managers. Thanks
one thing I would either get rid off or servely modify if i could. Who had mobiles, laptops, blacberry's or even a computer at home in 1992. Not to mention young peole coming into the workforce who have already got 10yrs of pc and gadget use behind them. How can it be proved that WRLD were caused at work when we spend our lives outside of work on them??
Russ1977  
#6 Posted : 23 June 2015 16:34:59(UTC)
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Russ1977

Hi Guys Really appreciate all of your replies thus far, thanks.
Ron Hunter  
#7 Posted : 23 June 2015 16:45:32(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I recall reading a few weeks ago of work in EU Directive land to combine DSE and other musculoskeletal risk within a new or heavily modified Directive, essentially doing away with DSE Regs. (Huzzah!) That euro work seems to be on the back burner at the moment. I've ranted before on this forum about the disproportionate focus on DSE. Biggest (disproportionate) impact DSE Regs might have is a pandering to employees with "I want one of those" mentality. New or different chairs, keyboards, mice etc. and the poor old company driver gets......the vehicle he was given.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 24 June 2015 10:12:13(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Here's a link to that (HSE) musculoskeletal update: http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...uronews/dossiers/msd.htm
Graham  
#9 Posted : 24 June 2015 11:16:08(UTC)
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Graham

OMG, I've read this twice and it's a perfect example of a safety and regulatory document that spends an inordinate amount of time and verbiage saying just about nothing of any value what so ever. This whole piece says, we’ve thought about it, couldn’t get agreement and now we’ve delayed it. What a waste of time and effort, including mine in reading and venting my spleen here. (And now yours for having read this drivel.) Saints preserve us.
Ian Bell  
#10 Posted : 24 June 2015 12:11:22(UTC)
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Ian Bell

I have always thought the DSE Regs were excessive. From the work equipment point of view and related ergonomics/human factors etc associated with using 'machines' I see no reason why PUWER couldn't be amended to specifically include a Regulation to consider of WRULDS/human factors/ergonomics etc. At the moment, its all a bit vague. Guidance could be developed & published in the normal manner. Then scrap the DSE Regs completely - over taken by technology and the development of IT, as others have said.
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