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Martin#1  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2015 12:14:53(UTC)
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Martin#1

At present we have a group H&S Policy which covers all the companies operating within the group. The Policy Statement is signed by a Director of the group and the policy statement makes reference to each individual company operating within the group. Each of the companies operating within the group are individually registered companies and I've been asked by a director of one of these companies should they have their own H&S Policy? My answer would be no, the Group Policy covers them but I just wanted to check if this is the case and if there is any information available on managing H&S within a group of companies? Thanks Martin
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2015 13:42:49(UTC)
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RayRapp

In my experience subsidiaries who are a legal entity in their own right have had their own individual H&S Policy. Forgetting the legal perspective for a moment, would you have exactly the same policies and procedures for all your companies - no you would not, they need to be relevant to the industry. So why have one H&S Policy for all?
Martin#1  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2015 13:53:48(UTC)
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Martin#1

RayRapp wrote:
In my experience subsidiaries who are a legal entity in their own right have had their own individual H&S Policy. Forgetting the legal perspective for a moment, would you have exactly the same policies and procedures for all your companies - no you would not, they need to be relevant to the industry. So why have one H&S Policy for all?
The reason they operate under the same H&S Policy is that the companies all operate from the same location and they all operate within the construction industry, they are separately listed businesses but they are just divisions of the one construction group.
Urlrik  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2015 15:05:12(UTC)
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Urlrik

We have a similar if not exactly the same situation. We are a parent organization with several subsidiaries. When I started here I rewrote the policy so it was fit for purpose for the parent. We then agreed the statement of intent with all subsidiaries and that is then shared across the whole group. The responsibilities section is subsidiary specific as obviously each one has its own structure, some aspects are shared. The arrangements section is more site specific which works for us as all activities on each site are similar irrespective of which organization is carrying them out. The key aspect for me is that anyone in any part of any of the subsidiaries can know which policy is theirs and how they fit into it. To a large extent its up to the board of each of your companies as to who they square this all off, as long as the policy/policies cover their activities. Our parent board demands that all subsidiaries fulfill their duties and can prove it. I have had numerous conversations internally as to how we manage this situation and this is what works for us. I guess its different depending on the organization.
bob youel  
#5 Posted : 25 June 2015 07:50:13(UTC)
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bob youel

if these business are separately taxed, insured, managed, registered etc. which it seems that they are, then it is logical that they are needing separate H&S policies as these are stand alone companies If one policy applies then all companies must be like for like in all areas which I doubt that they are. Additionally if one company has a H&S problem then the overall group chair would be in the firing line whilst the director of the problem company would be OK noting that if one company had a tax, insurance etc. problem then that tax problem would be their problem alone so why should H&S be any different If each company had their own policy [which can mirror the group one/each others to an extent] it would make each director more individually responsible
achrn  
#6 Posted : 25 June 2015 08:21:00(UTC)
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achrn

RayRapp wrote:
In my experience subsidiaries who are a legal entity in their own right have had their own individual H&S Policy. Forgetting the legal perspective for a moment, would you have exactly the same policies and procedures for all your companies - no you would not, they need to be relevant to the industry. So why have one H&S Policy for all?
You are conflating policies and procedures. I agree companies will have different procedures, but I disagree that this necessarily requires they have different H&S policy. If the companies are operating in the same industry, within the same legal jurisdiction, with a common board of directors (which seems to be the case here), why would they not have the same policy? What would be different from one company to the next? Is one going to have a policy of complying with all statute and another not bother with that? Our policy is (roughly): 1: comply with statute 2: safeguard health, safety and welfare of all employees 3: organise affairs to comply with the policy 4: ensure competent people in post and provide training 5: review policy periodically 6: board are committed 7: neglect of policy treated as serious breach - disciplinary Now, if we had a sister company in the same industry in the UK with the same (or even just overlapping) board, I would be astonished if the sister company said anything different to that.
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2015 12:32:27(UTC)
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RayRapp

achrn wrote:
RayRapp wrote:
In my experience subsidiaries who are a legal entity in their own right have had their own individual H&S Policy. Forgetting the legal perspective for a moment, would you have exactly the same policies and procedures for all your companies - no you would not, they need to be relevant to the industry. So why have one H&S Policy for all?
You are conflating policies and procedures. I agree companies will have different procedures, but I disagree that this necessarily requires they have different H&S policy. If the companies are operating in the same industry, within the same legal jurisdiction, with a common board of directors (which seems to be the case here), why would they not have the same policy? What would be different from one company to the next? Is one going to have a policy of complying with all statute and another not bother with that? Our policy is (roughly): 1: comply with statute 2: safeguard health, safety and welfare of all employees 3: organise affairs to comply with the policy 4: ensure competent people in post and provide training 5: review policy periodically 6: board are committed 7: neglect of policy treated as serious breach - disciplinary Now, if we had a sister company in the same industry in the UK with the same (or even just overlapping) board, I would be astonished if the sister company said anything different to that.
It is a legal requirement for a compmay to have a Health and Safety Policy if they employ 5 or more employees. Hence a company who is a legal entity in their own right as I understand the law would be required to have their own H&S Policy regardless of any duplication which may occur as a result of the parent company or subsidiaries. There is also the matter of why organisations fragment to smaller divisions, in case of insolvency, prosecution, etc, which in effects insulates the parent company. For example, in the case of Corporate Manslaugher, it is more likely the subsidiary is prosecuted if it is a legal entity than the parent company. Thus potentially reducing the unlimited fine which is part based on the assets/turnover of the organisation.
achrn  
#8 Posted : 25 June 2015 13:22:47(UTC)
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achrn

RayRapp wrote:
It is a legal requirement for a compmay to have a Health and Safety Policy if they employ 5 or more employees. Hence a company who is a legal entity in their own right as I understand the law would be required to have their own H&S Policy regardless of any duplication which may occur as a result of the parent company or subsidiaries.
In that situation, I think it's mainly a matter of semantics as to whether the individual company doesn't have a safety policy because the group has a policy, or whether all the companies in the group have the same policy. In the latter case, they meet the legal requirement, I think. That probably simply means that the one policy should be recorded as ' the policy of each company in the group', rather than 'the policy of the parent of the group'. I note the OP refers to the policy naming each company, so I suspect it's closer to the former (and therefore legal, in my non-lawyer view). That is, each company needs a H&S policy, but it can be the same policy, and even the same piece of paper, if you want it framed on the wall somewhere.
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