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Ewing38053  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2015 16:01:48(UTC)
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Ewing38053

Does anyone think that the guidance for sun cream at factor 15 is to low for workers that are in the sun all day. (When we get the sun that is) I feel that this is now a bit outdated as the sun gets stronger. I would recommend factor 50 and this would also stop the temptation to take factor 15 for the holidays
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2015 16:16:25(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

SPF tells how much UVB a sun screen lets through to the skin. This means an SPF of 15 only lets 1/15 of the UVB through so in theory you can stay out 15 times as long before you get sun burned. But first you need to know how long you can stay out in the sun before you get sunburned. For really pale people it’s less than 10 minutes so SPF 15 means they can stay out of 150 minutes before they burn. If they were using SPF 50 they could manage 500 minutes which is near enough to a full working day. Brits tend to the paler end of the skin colour spectrum (officially the Fitzpatrick skin typing Scale) so I’d go for SPF50. Make sure that the sun cream also covers UVA which does not burn the skin but can cause skin cancer. Also tell staff to re-apply the sun cream, as most creams rub off during the day, to cover up if they can and to work in the shade if they can.
fscott  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2015 16:40:21(UTC)
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fscott

As a very pale red head I wouldn't dream of being out the sun wearing Suncream of SPF15 even in this country - I'd frazzle to put it mildly. Have a look at this - http://www.skincancer.or...ction/sunscreen/choosing It's suggests for people with fair skin, history of skin cancers or other skin issues a minimum of SPF30 should be used. As a minimum this would be my suggestion as people who don't burn easily are probably not going to want to wear one at SPF 50.
jwk  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2015 17:26:54(UTC)
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jwk

You don't need more than SPF30 even if (like me) you are very fair. Eight hours of high-risk sun is about the most we get even in mid-summer, and that will give you 16 minutes of exposure at SPF30, this is about as safe as you need to be. The British Association of Dermatologists recommend SPF30, with, and this is important, shade and clothing as well. Don't just rely on the stuff in the bottle. More important than going above SPF30 is paying careful attention to how the stuff should be applied; a thin smear at the start of the day isn't going to help. It needs to be slapped on with a trowel, and if people have physical jobs it needs frequent application. Pen-pushers like me can go longer between aplications, as we probably aren't sweating as much, John
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 24 June 2015 18:56:43(UTC)
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chris.packham

Bear in mind that the reality is that you only get a protection level of about half what it says on the tube. Bear in mind also that the factor only relates to UVB and not to UVA. For UVA you need a five star product. I recommend you visit SKCIN.org and this is the charity that is concerned with reducing the incidence and prevalence of skin cancer due to sun exposure. You will find the real information on this site. Chris
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 25 June 2015 07:15:33(UTC)
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bob youel

Some great comments here especially the point that in reality you HALF the protection factor shown & what we need to remember is that a sun tan for a white British person is in fact a skin problem & not a healthy thing I advise that sun screen is not provided [staff provide their own if they want to use it] and that we cover up, which is easily done irrespective of what people say, where possible and organise work so as exposure to the sun is managed properly Additionally we are introducing more chemicals not less to the workforce with all the problems that these chemicals bring & note COSHH applies here and long term studies have show that regular use of sun cream etc. brings with it chemical imbalances and problems even to new-born children where their moms had been constantly using such chemicals My overall comment is to explore all the pros and cons, inclusive of where COSHH fits in and then make the findings known to management and workers and let others make the managing decisions
chris.packham  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2015 23:01:38(UTC)
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chris.packham

Essentially sun screens fall into two categories, those that are based on pigments such as titanium dioxide and zinc oxide and those that use chemicals that break up the UV. With the latter there are common ingredients that have the potential to cause the user to become excessively sensitive to UV. In other words instead of protecting they do the opposite. It isn't all that common, but is something about which my dermatological friends have expressed concern. As Bob has said, the best approach is to provide suitable shades and clothing to protect the skin, plus appropriate education for the workforce so that they understand the risks. Chris
MikeD81  
#8 Posted : 26 June 2015 08:09:41(UTC)
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MikeD81

The Cancer Council has a number of good resources on skin cancer. http://www.cancerqld.org.../prevention/skin_cancer/
MikeD81  
#9 Posted : 26 June 2015 08:12:55(UTC)
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MikeD81

And for some promotional videos relating to tanning
grim72  
#10 Posted : 26 June 2015 08:28:18(UTC)
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grim72

An interesting article cropped up on BBC news this morning about the labelling of sun screen. I must admit I'd always just looked at the SPF rating - which protects against UVB rays. There is an additional 'star' rating that shows the protection level against UVA rays too. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33272420 for the full article.
fscott  
#11 Posted : 29 June 2015 09:44:40(UTC)
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fscott

One other thing you will need to consider if providing sun screen is the possibility of someone taking an allergic reaction to the brand that you choose to provide. Although in a different setting, a little girl at my son's nursery took an allergic to a brand of sun cream that her mother put on her which was quite severe to the extent she was almost admitted to hospital.
chris.packham  
#12 Posted : 29 June 2015 12:56:53(UTC)
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chris.packham

Agreed, but that can happen with any product that is applied to the skin. At the European Society of Contact Dermatitis, each conference is preceded by a one-day workshop on these types of reaction. This is not a reason not to provide cosmetic products (for that is what they are) such as sun screen, moisturisers, skin cleansers, etc. For the record, in my copy of the latest edition of his guide on patch testing for skin allergens, de Groot lists 4,350 chemicals. Most of these will not have been assigned H317 and will therefore almost certainly not appear on a safety data sheet. At least the consumer gets a complete list of all constituents. Chris
maiuk  
#13 Posted : 30 June 2015 13:15:30(UTC)
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maiuk

I used to advice SPF50. The only disadvantage is that this SPF is quite thick but this SPF you can warrantee the higher protection
Alan Haynes  
#14 Posted : 30 June 2015 15:16:52(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

maiuk wrote:
I used to advice SPF50. The only disadvantage is that this SPF is quite thick..........
I use the [Soltan] Factor 50 kiddies version of their sun cream - hypoallergenic and also very easily absorbed. SPF 50 and 5 stars protection. Others makes are available
chris.packham  
#15 Posted : 30 June 2015 17:28:08(UTC)
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chris.packham

Just a word of caution about the term 'hypoallergenic'. It is one of those words 'that means what I want it to mean'. There is no official maximum level of presence of sensitisers in a product that is required in order to permit the term to be applied. My wife reacts to a large number of different sunscreens, many of which are labelled as 'hypoallergenic' or 'dermatologically tested'. This is not to say that the product is not generally safe for many people to use; it does not exclude some people reacting. In fact, my wife does actually react with a facial swelling and itching to the product mentioned. Chris
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