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JHF  
#1 Posted : 14 July 2015 18:42:55(UTC)
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JHF

- well, not quite, workshop operatives (competent) have made a pair of workshop steps (6 rungs high), LOOK very sturdy, welded etc. Problem - obviously no CE marking etc. not built to a standard (Class 1 or EN131) - prevent further use? Thoughts.
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 14 July 2015 19:16:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Apply "China Export". If they aren't breaking in test why the hang up about a standard? They have obviously been fabricated for a specific purpose, not being placed on sale to a mass market.... if you have bespoke equipment fabricated I am sure financial reality sinks in that you don't spend thousands of pounds type testing a one off.

Been some time since I was involved in off shore fabrication but I am damned sure the oil companies don't pay twice/thrice the price of a rig for CE marking the steps and walkways all individually work shopped.
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 14 July 2015 19:16:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Apply "China Export". If they aren't breaking in test why the hang up about a standard? They have obviously been fabricated for a specific purpose, not being placed on sale to a mass market.... if you have bespoke equipment fabricated I am sure financial reality sinks in that you don't spend thousands of pounds type testing a one off.

Been some time since I was involved in off shore fabrication but I am damned sure the oil companies don't pay twice/thrice the price of a rig for CE marking the steps and walkways all individually work shopped.
ttxela  
#4 Posted : 15 July 2015 09:03:45(UTC)
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ttxela

In a previous job we custom made a hoist since it just wasn't possible to buy one to fit our particular task and it solved a fairly major manual handling problem, we had it properly load tested and it was regularly inspected and checked but it wasn't made to any standard (other than common sense) and certainly wasn't CE marked.

Sometimes 'Home Made' can be good.
JHF  
#5 Posted : 15 July 2015 09:17:13(UTC)
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JHF

Hi - thanks. Had a chance to look more specifically at legislation. PUWER re Reg 10 (1) - Every employer shall ensure that an item of work equipment has been designed and constructed in compliance with any essential requirements, that is to say requirements relating to its design or construction in any of the instruments listed in Schedule 1 (being instruments which give effect to Community directives concerning the safety of products). And the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Regulations 2008, as amended, which require - that machinery: is safe when supplied (‘safe’ refers to risks to both safety and health); comes with a Declaration of Conformity and user instructions in English; and is CE marked. HSWA - Sec 2 - as ever.
Ian Bell  
#6 Posted : 15 July 2015 10:56:05(UTC)
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Ian Bell

Sadly JHF is probably correct about CE marking, in practice are the steps 'a problem' probably not.

Without checking the the Supply of Machinery Regs.... what type pf steps are they? How high are they?

Simple 'box' steps/ rigid frame hop up steps? No moving parts? Like hinges/moveable legs etc?

Pretty sure in the Supply Regs there is given a definition of a machine something like 'an assembly of linked moving parts'.

If the steps have no moving parts, do they then fall under the Supply of Machinery Regs??

I'm not sure without reading up the specific details and knowing more what type of steps have been home made.

Provided they have been made by competent fabricators etc, I wouldn't be losing too much sleep.
JHF  
#7 Posted : 15 July 2015 12:37:04(UTC)
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JHF

Thanks all. Good point - do steps actually count as machinery? - grey areas again (no moving parts). Probably stick with replacing with purchased steps - just to be sure.
PIKEMAN  
#8 Posted : 15 July 2015 14:27:45(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Or just buy some steps which do the job and are CE marked and of the correct class??? Why would they fab their own steps>
Corfield35303  
#9 Posted : 15 July 2015 16:26:40(UTC)
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Corfield35303

.... some people just like making stuff.

I wouldn't have a hang-up about them, find the most qualified person you can and get them to inspect them and sign them off, as its steps this should be easy, in reality it may be quicker to just buy some.

When I challenge engineers about workshop made bits of kit (usually 'bespoke' test rigs) I ask the chief engineer, typically the engineering director, if they in their professional capacity would be willing to sign them off. If its some jerry-made contraption they soon have them scrapped and replaced.
JHF  
#10 Posted : 16 July 2015 08:49:03(UTC)
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JHF

Thanks - one of the reasons they have made the steps is that they claim bought ones in the past haven't lasted - they can make better! Wonder if podium steps might be the best option, the ones in brochures etc. look sturdy enough (and offer a handrail system & platform), they're also supplied CE marked, however - not to a standard (re ladders).
PIKEMAN  
#11 Posted : 16 July 2015 13:05:46(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

But were the previously purchased steps the correct class ie (Class 1 or EN131) ? If they were Class 3 domestic - then there is your answer as to why they did not last.
Corfield35303  
#12 Posted : 16 July 2015 15:14:30(UTC)
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Corfield35303

Podium steps might be the answer, but they cost more, mmmh?

I've seen some workshop made similar steps/working platforms at some of our sites, for access AC units on vehicles or cleaning the top of a vehicle, usually they say its because the bought items were a poor fit. I tend to be a little more cautious the bigger the item and think it might be about cost. If the purpose of a workshop is fabrication, and they are competent at making stuff for other people then again no reason why they cant make their own work equipment, within limitations.
JHF  
#13 Posted : 24 July 2015 11:27:24(UTC)
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JHF

Have seen some HSE "internal" inspectors guidance information / notes on the above, "home made" (possible defects) - remove from site. Any thoughts?
walker  
#14 Posted : 24 July 2015 12:07:34(UTC)
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walker

My cynical take (and I have been the responsible person for applying CE marks to medical products):

When you make "equipment" to sell on the open market, the bean counters have swarmed all over the design and will cut costs to the bone (and beyond!). Two quid saving on a product you hope to sell by the 100 thousand is big money even if the unit price is measured in thousands.

So.............standards (British, IEC etc) EEC regulations etc are in place to specify the minimum acceptable level that can safely be foisted on the unsuspecting public. I know this is true as I have been a committee member writing British & IEC medical devices standards.

A home made product tends to be over engineered, as its a one off and its unit cost is not too important. So long as the "designer" understands all of the safety impilcations presented by the "equipment", you are fine.



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