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Bill6152  
#1 Posted : 03 August 2015 09:38:39(UTC)
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Bill6152

Member of staff walking down stairs, using the handrail misplaces her foot and falls down three stairs causing bruising to arm and back. Ip was wearing sensible footwear , no fault with stairs, was not rushing etc. Would you still record this as a workplace accident?
SW  
#2 Posted : 03 August 2015 09:43:44(UTC)
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SW

No, Not from the info you gave. But I would keep a record of it with full investigation just in case....
chris42  
#3 Posted : 03 August 2015 09:45:28(UTC)
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chris42

Yes I would record the accident, but not report it. The fact you have checked the stairs etc is worth recording. Chris
jodieclark1510  
#4 Posted : 03 August 2015 09:50:47(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

You have already done some investigation, so I would record it, and keep a record of any first aid assistance linked to the record
biker1  
#5 Posted : 03 August 2015 12:51:34(UTC)
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biker1

Well if it was an accident and it happened in the workplace, it's a workplace accident isn't it, and should be recorded as such, or am I missing something?
Mr Insurance  
#6 Posted : 03 August 2015 13:06:30(UTC)
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Mr Insurance

Biker1 - guidance from HSE enclosed - What is meant by ‘work-related’? RIDDOR only requires you to report accidents if they happen ‘out of or in connection with work’. The fact that there is an accident at work premises does not, in itself, mean that the accident is work-related – the work activity itself must contribute to the accident. An accident is ‘work-related’ if any of the following played a significant role: the way the work was carried out any machinery, plant, substances or equipment used for the work or the condition of the site or premises where the accident happened To my mind, somebody tripping on a flight stairs is not arising out of the way a work activity is carried out.
stuie  
#7 Posted : 03 August 2015 13:06:40(UTC)
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stuie

We would record this as a workplace accident - might not report though - depends on the full circumstances and if the walking down stairs was work related, although it might be difficult to justify that it is not work related?
Mr.Flibble  
#8 Posted : 03 August 2015 13:49:29(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Record it in the accident book and carry out an investigation. My rule of thumb is if they see a first aider or hurt themselves it goes in the accident book. The Investigation will determine if it needs to go any further. Had someone break their foot doing the same thing. Was recorded and investigated but not reported as a RIDDOR as it was not work related. No defects, lighting was fine, no hazards (wet floor etc) and the IP wasn't carrying anything required for work (boxes etc).
SW  
#9 Posted : 03 August 2015 14:08:45(UTC)
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SW

Similar question asked a year ago on a different forum and one of the replies was from an ex HSE inspector who said (If nothing wrong with stairs, PPE, lighting, not carrying boxes etc. for work, and just tripped through clumsiness) then it is not a work accident despite it happening in the IP's workplace. If I recall the IP was off longer than the sevens days and no need to report as not work related.
biker1  
#10 Posted : 03 August 2015 14:52:13(UTC)
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biker1

There would seem to be two aspects getting confused here. Did the accident happen in the workplace - yes, therefore a workplace accident, so record it in the accident book. Secondly, is it reportable under RIDDOR? Quite a different question, as there are definitions of what is reportable, and it would need to fit into one of these. As to the question of whether it was in the course of employment, well unless the person concerned was on their way to the roof to watch the pigs fly, I would say that getting from one part of the work premises to another would normally be within the course of employment.
Kate  
#11 Posted : 04 August 2015 13:02:31(UTC)
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Kate

I record such things, but categorise them as 'non work related' and don't include them in the injury statistics. It needs recording in case there is any question about it later.
sadlass  
#12 Posted : 04 August 2015 19:56:27(UTC)
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sadlass

Biker 1. "As to the question of whether it was in the course of employment, well unless the person concerned was on their way to the roof to watch the pigs fly, I would say that getting from one part of the work premises to another would normally be within the course of employment." See other responses, and extend this to someone walking on the pavement going from one office to another (for work purposes) who slips on wet leaves. The distinction of 'out of or in connection with work' versus 'workplace' or work-related' has not always been made that clear, and in the past, following others, I reported (where RIDDOR applied) all sorts of sundry incidents, just because the IP was 'at work' or on employer premises. It became clearer to me when HSE issued guidance for schools on distinguishing between accidents AT school and accidents BECAUSE of the school. Applied across everywhere this distinction then made more sense. I wonder what HSE did with all the reports they had which were not really 'out of or in connection with work' at all. I also had similar advice from HSE, mainly to reduce the volume of sporting injuries being reported. That was in the days the HSE spoke to you. My own clumsy test question if in doubt, is "what could or should the employer / school possibly have done to prevent this?". However, that's RIDDOR reporting. Any incident would / should still be recorded and checked to establish whether or not there was a work connection. What happens to that record is for you to decide as per Kate / Chris response.
Blackburn31728  
#13 Posted : 05 August 2015 10:42:37(UTC)
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Blackburn31728

If person is at work even going to canteen or not then this is a accident and needs reporting you may learn something from it or not it may just be a slip but needs reporting
Lawlee45239  
#14 Posted : 05 August 2015 12:27:34(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Bill6152 wrote:
Member of staff walking down stairs, using the handrail misplaces her foot and falls down three stairs causing bruising to arm and back. Ip was wearing sensible footwear , no fault with stairs, was not rushing etc. Would you still record this as a workplace accident?
Yes I would record it, it was an incident that happened in the workplace. Although there was no serious injury there could have been, I would record the incident and report findings to all concerned. It may be common sense walking on stairs, we all do it everyday, but it should also be taken seriously. I lost a friend who fell down a set of house stairs.
avocetboy  
#15 Posted : 05 August 2015 14:56:15(UTC)
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avocetboy

Hi. First Post (So go easy on me!) 1st of all, its only a RIDDOR if it meets the requirements (ie 7 days absence, hospitalised overnight etc.etc.) Secondly, it happened AT work, therefore you should log it in accident book. Thirdly, you HAVE to investigate it as in up to 3 years time, it may become a claim and unless you have investigated it, you will not be able to defend it
biker1  
#16 Posted : 05 August 2015 15:58:27(UTC)
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biker1

avocetboy wrote:
Hi. First Post (So go easy on me!) 1st of all, its only a RIDDOR if it meets the requirements (ie 7 days absence, hospitalised overnight etc.etc.) Secondly, it happened AT work, therefore you should log it in accident book. Thirdly, you HAVE to investigate it as in up to 3 years time, it may become a claim and unless you have investigated it, you will not be able to defend it
Spot on.
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