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Kellee81  
#1 Posted : 14 August 2015 10:15:35(UTC)
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Kellee81

Weird one, never had this issue before but our company have rejected putting in sanitary bins in our retail stores. This is a legal requirement and comes under various acts and regulations. What I cannot seem to find is an exact extract that states to dispose of sanitary towels etc. Can anyone point to where it actually states such bins have to be provided? I cannot believe I am having to argue this. Thanks
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 14 August 2015 10:30:00(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi Keellee81, You could try the financial argument and point out that unblocking the toilet will be a repeated cost that would be considerably more expensive than the provision of sanitary waste bins.
Kellee81  
#3 Posted : 14 August 2015 10:33:33(UTC)
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Kellee81

We haven them in the head office and one of the warehouses ( but not the other where there many women working) they are arguing the cost to put into all stores where at least one woman will work in. I just cannot believe I am having to have such a conversation about something, whether we like it or not, happens!
mssy  
#4 Posted : 14 August 2015 10:40:10(UTC)
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mssy

I have just checked the date of this thread and yes, it is from 2015. You have my sympathies dealing with this pathetic management, as this most definitely the saddest post on here for a while - in that this is even an issue Good luck
Zaillen  
#5 Posted : 14 August 2015 11:11:03(UTC)
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Zaillen

http://libertyhygiene.co...room-legal-requirements/ that seems to have what you need for your argument. you could even phone this company for clairty on your issue and more understanding regarding the legal implications to help further your argument. Chris
Ian A-H  
#6 Posted : 14 August 2015 11:24:29(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

I'm assuming we are talking about commercial sanitary bins provided by companies such as PHS, hence the discussion about cost. I'm not sure there is an absolute legal requirement to provide such sanitary bins. If the quantities are small they can go into the normal waste stream. Busy public facilities may require separate bins. This is what the government say: "Human hygiene or sanpro waste can sometimes be produced in large quantities in places such as schools, nurseries and motorway service areas. Although such wastes from these sources may be non-hazardous, in quantity they can be offensive and cause handling problems. In these cases, where the premises generate more than one standard bag or container of human hygiene waste over the usual collection interval, it is considered appropriate to package it separately from other waste streams." https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-waste The ACOP to the Workplace Regs: "In toilets used by women, suitable means for the disposal of sanitary dressings should also be provided." ACOPs aren't the law, what is suitable for one workplace may not be for another. Kellee, in your stores there may be other ways of achieving this - a small pedal bin with a plastic bag may be sufficient if there is only one female employee. And no, I'm not a Neanderthal but I think it is important our advice has a legal basis - it should be made clear to our clients what is legally required and what is best practice - it's up to them to decide based on cost, benefit, reputation etc Ian
Kellee81  
#7 Posted : 14 August 2015 11:27:24(UTC)
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Kellee81

Thank you for your responses. I did see the one for Liberty that I found useful too. And yes I cannot believe I am having to have such a discussion in this day and age. Its really pathetic! I guess a pedal stool could be an option, I will look into this. Thank you Ian.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 14 August 2015 11:42:46(UTC)
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firesafety101

Where there are only one or two females present the argument could be "where do they put them when at home"? Otherwise where females are present in numbers then the bins must be required. Is there a toilet available for use by disabled people, employees and/or customers/visitors? There will be a need for one in there as well.
Kellee81  
#9 Posted : 14 August 2015 11:52:24(UTC)
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Kellee81

I am finding lots of information. Under the duty of care act it does mention about being disposed by a licensed carrier etc. Our toilets in the stores are for use for employees and customers.
jwk  
#10 Posted : 14 August 2015 13:38:50(UTC)
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jwk

This is quite mind-boggling really! I checked the welfar regs and no, it's not in there. There is something about suitable receptacles for waste, so you could maybe use that... John
Kellee81  
#11 Posted : 14 August 2015 14:17:32(UTC)
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Kellee81

I found this ... in L24 ACOP P38: 192 Toilets should be connected to a suitable drainage system and have an effective means for flushing with water. Toilet paper should be provided in a holder or dispenser. A coat hook should also be provided. In toilets used by women, suitable means for the disposal of sanitary dressings should also be provided. Seems clear to me but I feel that can be challenged as it does not stipulate bins that are emptied by a licensed carrier... Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
James Robinson  
#12 Posted : 14 August 2015 14:32:59(UTC)
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James Robinson

Suitable means of disposal...... May be better to approach "management" differently. - What do they use at head office? - Who's going to empty the containers if your not using a 3rd party? - What would the customers think? - What does a Union think? If you let me know who the company is - I'll make sure that I avoid visiting any until they work out what century we are in.
watcher  
#13 Posted : 14 August 2015 14:37:18(UTC)
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watcher

I think the issue is what makes it suitable or not. You won't find anything written down, and in my view the link provided is a good example of a company promoting its products, rather than providing a definitive answer. In truth, as unpalatable as some may find it, a supply of bags and a pedal bin may be all that is needed, depending on the number of staff using the toilets. Which is why there is nothing prescriptive written down. You might want to try the dignity route, rather than the H & S route.
Kate  
#14 Posted : 14 August 2015 14:53:57(UTC)
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Kate

ACoP may not be law but it's almost as good as - if you don't follow it than you are guilty unless you prove what you were doing instead is just as good. I agree a pedal bin and bags would suffice, as long as they are emptied regularly. Just as we do at home!
jwk  
#15 Posted : 14 August 2015 15:15:37(UTC)
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jwk

Interesting, I was using an older version of L24, didn't find what I was looking for but it is at 197 in my version, still ACoP, John
Kate  
#16 Posted : 15 August 2015 10:31:48(UTC)
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Kate

It also occurs to me that a more relevant comparison than what people do at home is what happens in hotels - where bags are provided in the bathrooms to put into the pedal bin which is then emptied daily by the room cleaners.
Sanitary Bin Mythbus  
#17 Posted : 15 August 2015 12:14:16(UTC)
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Sanitary Bin Mythbuster

To be clear from the start, I am the inventor of the Brilliant Bin disposable sanitary bin. As an accountant in SME companies I had to deal with contractors and always felt that "there must be a better way". Then later I had the opportunity to do it! I post on forums only if I think I can add value to a discussion, and so please take this post out if you think it is contrary to the rules (which I have read). I have prepared downloadable guides on the law and legislation for provision of sanitary bins and the waste legislation and Department of Health guidance that covers how much sanitary bin waste is allowed in commercial general waste collections (it's 7kg in any waste collection cycle). They also quote where the information comes from, the European Waste Codes (EWC) applicable, and also the issue of whether a different kind of waste collection licence is needed for sanitary bin waste as opposed to general commercial waste. Rather than posting a link, which may change, you will find the guides on the Brilliant Bins website. There are country and industry specific guides for Business, Community and Leisure plus Schools and Doctors Surgeries. I hope this proves useful, and provides myth busting clear information for the Forum.
Gavin Gibson  
#18 Posted : 16 August 2015 09:38:23(UTC)
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Gavin Gibson

Consider if this is a requirement for safe disposal of hazardous waste - blood-born pathogens? What would they do if they had to dispose of first aid waste?
Ian A-H  
#19 Posted : 16 August 2015 10:21:02(UTC)
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Ian  A-H

Guidance from HSE here: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/waste22.pdf Also,useful flow chart from Brent Council: https://brent.gov.uk/med...ClinicaWasteGuidance.pdf In the relatively small quantities I think we're talking about here (< 1 bag per week) it can go into normal waste streams. Ian
johnmurray  
#20 Posted : 17 August 2015 07:46:48(UTC)
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johnmurray

In many cases it does go into the normal waste streams: The toilet.
jay  
#21 Posted : 17 August 2015 10:49:34(UTC)
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jay

Irrespective whether outsourced or organised internally and then disposed off as general waste, the employer must provide a receptable ( i.e. a bin) and deal with its disposal.
Steve Granger  
#22 Posted : 17 August 2015 11:56:29(UTC)
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Steve Granger

The OP describes the situation as 'retail stores' so I am wondering if we are talking about employees, the public or both. One has rights the other does not - but irrespective you have a waste management issue here and potential breach of waste law or contract with your waste disposal contractor as here is a duty wrt the trade waste classification that is carried from the premises - check your contract.
Ali Sooltan  
#23 Posted : 17 August 2015 11:57:24(UTC)
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Ali Sooltan

It is true the Acop is not a legal requirement as far as Reg 20 of Workplace (Health, Safety & welfare) Regulations 1992, but following it is a means of demonstrating compliance to the Court. if you choose not to follow the Acop, you should provide alternative measures that will demonstrate a similar level of compliance. This is enough to justify provision. Without going into too much detail and offending anyone we also look at the actual users - are they likely (potentially) to use the facilities. Some mature users insist they "have no need" for such facilities anymore.
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