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simplesafety  
#1 Posted : 20 August 2015 08:53:53(UTC)
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simplesafety

This is something that I have been asked to do by several employers in the past, By this I mean something like the below example: Occ Health nurse see's a member of staff who has been diagnosed with a back condition for example, the report recommends that an Occupational RA is completed on the tasks they perform. This is then passed to myself to complete (I'm the HSE Officer), this is just a brief report, no template, form or anything else. We clearly have RA's etc on the tasks anyway, and I know we should consider vulnerable and higher risk people. But is there any guidance anywhere about what the content of this kind of assessment should be? I'm certainly not a medical expert who can say what work an injured or disabled person can perform? In the past I have simply sat down with these employees and performed mutual type assessment = ie. you tell me what you can / cant do! Has anyone got any advice? Suggestions? or experience with this? Thanks
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 21 August 2015 08:59:39(UTC)
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RayRapp

I have never completed a formal RA for an occupational health issue apart from a request once from HR for someone who had epilepsy. I think I just used a standard RA form. As a rule any assessment usually comes from Return to Work interview, where it is as you described a process of "Tell me what you think you are capable of..." There is a good argument OH should complete the RA for occupational ill health matters, whether they are in-house or external consultants. In my experience the service provided by OH is very basic and they do no more than the minimum they can get away with. Strange that you can get 36 responses from a vaping thread but none until now about this subject - what does this convey?
simplesafety  
#3 Posted : 21 August 2015 10:40:59(UTC)
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simplesafety

Thanks RayRapp, I think you hit the nail on the head there regarding OH services, (Im sure its not all ) but in my experience Ive certainly been expected to make these decisions using what little info they provide. Ive taken some further advice and I'll be sticking to assessing the risks of a task and handing this decision back to OH to determine if a certain individual can perform it or not (any accommodating mods to the process considered).
Oldroyd19659  
#4 Posted : 21 August 2015 10:46:11(UTC)
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Oldroyd19659

RayRapp hit the nail on the head occ health should have some kind of outcome report which identifies issues that an individual has and any type of "restrictions" that are put on them by the occ health professional. They should take into account the risk profile of the individuals work and marry that with the restrictions. He is also right that occ health may need pressing as they seem to generally go with the minimum of information. Its then up to you to manage those restrictions or take a pro-active approach ie muscular-skeletal issue could be assisted by physio arrangements, a stress related issue by counciling ...the list is endless. As far as a risk assessment is concerned, the occ health team have assessed the risk and by putting restrictions in have given you basic controls however these can be supplemented by pro-active initiatives noted [but not exhaustive]. I would not get too hung up about a risk assessment in the usual format but I would put together some type of file on an individual noting Introduction and overview of their duties. Log of Occ Health intervention. [The surveillance will probably increase where issues are detected. Salient information from the outcome reports. Controls put in place. A log of contact and checks on the individual outwith the occ health surveillance - show due diligence. As you yourself noted any modifications to the work area/space/equipment. Any pro-active company paid for treatments to assist the individual. Then these records need to be on the personal file.
imwaldra  
#5 Posted : 24 August 2015 10:40:35(UTC)
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imwaldra

Occ Health risk assessments should be much more common than they are. But the best way to do them is for groups of similarly exposed people, NOT for individuals. As with any other RA, you list the relevant OH hazards and what controls are/will be in place, plus any reasonably practicable improvements. There's a good methodology available in IOGP publications, that can easily be used in any sector, not just oil & gas. For individuals with specific restrictions, I agree with the approaches outlined above. Another example would be for a pregnant/nursing mother at work, where how much 'adjustment' is needed can vary a lot with the individual and their normal tasks.
Animax01  
#6 Posted : 24 August 2015 10:59:30(UTC)
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Animax01

With regards the occuaptional health practicioner/nurse it is important that they have a thorough understanding of the workplace, processes and chemicals in use. We ensure that our OH advisers are regularly given site tours and kept abreast of any chances they maybe required to assist with. Then when they are writing a report for the individual (that I will use to base my own RA and guidance on) they can do so in a fashion that is accurate and helpful. This way of working seems to work on my site, but I'm sure there are other methods too.
Invictus  
#7 Posted : 24 August 2015 11:12:48(UTC)
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Invictus

Dealt with a situation a few years ago were Occ health and the employees own Dr disagreed. The OCc health wanted the person to return to normal duties after a heart attack and GP was saying that it needed to be light duties. The person was a prison officer so stress levels quite high at times, control and restraint required and the physical efforts this required. Also dealing with fires, attending to other situations that could mean running to assist. I was asked to get involved and write a R/A. I explained that if two Dr's can't agree want do they want me to do, they asked for a R/A to be completed I sat on the side of his GP and he returned on light duties. I feel Occ health will give the advise without understanding the full role of the job. Talk through the job with him as others have advised and don't let yourself be pushed into a corner by HR or managers to return him to quickly.
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 24 August 2015 12:20:41(UTC)
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chris.packham

As someone, a great deal of whose work in my specialised area is concerned with investigation and management of a health problem(funny how they will pay me for helping them once they have a problem but not to ensure the problem does not occur!) the first thing I do is check the original diagnosis. All too often the medical practitioner has reached a diagnosis that may be clinically accurate but occupationally irrelevant. This is usually because no-one within the organisation has properly briefed them. In some cases the treatment that was being applied was actually making the problem worse! Only when I am confident that I have the correct diagnosis can I start to consider the working environment, the health issue and what is reasonably practicable in terms of return to work. Keep in mind that a simple calculation shows that up to 80% of our time is spent away from the workplace and that in many situations non-occupational factors can contribute to the health problem - or even be the sole cause. A good occupational health practitioner can help to ensure that the approach to that individual is realistic. If you were to subscribe to the Occupational Health forum you would find many threads on this topic and the wealth of expertise that exists. Chris
jay  
#9 Posted : 24 August 2015 12:21:40(UTC)
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jay

This is diverting fronm the OP. That is an unprofessional Occupational Health advisor if they advised return to work after a heart attack on full duties--even if the individual had recovered from the heart condition, phased return to work is the "norm". Also, I find it odd that the Occupational Health advisor did not understand the job role--that is their key responsibility--in association with the employer.
Invictus  
#10 Posted : 24 August 2015 12:45:58(UTC)
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Invictus

Jay wrote:
This is diverting fronm the OP. That is an unprofessional Occupational Health advisor if they advised return to work after a heart attack on full duties--even if the individual had recovered from the heart condition, phased return to work is the "norm". Also, I find it odd that the Occupational Health advisor did not understand the job role--that is their key responsibility--in association with the employer.
Well they didn't understand the role because I phoned and asked them. He wasn't looking at the full picture taking into account all aspects of the role. Unfortunately I didn't keep the report as I didn't think I would need to prove what he had written. After my heart attack the same adviser informed work that I could return to work without a fazed return as I only sit in an office all day doing health and safety.
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 25 August 2015 08:08:44(UTC)
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bob youel

I have facilitated in many individual Occie Health RA's and have found over the years that the Occie health people on average are not competent risk assessors, do not want to share information nor are fully aware of all the job roles and interfaces in any one case and I usually have found my self alone at many stages of the process and many employees do not want to fully help as they can see all the negatives and none of the positives take as much advice as you can and get on board a competent Occie Health professional & then with the employee and others as needed work as a team
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